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05/06/09, 6:34 PM
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#4111
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Von Kaiser
Draenei Shaman
Cenarion Circle
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Originally Posted by Krainski
Hi,
Unfortunately I have not been able to read the last 20 pages of posts but I just wanted to know if there was a general consensus on whether or not using chain lightning in a rotation was beneficial or not for single-target dps (as well as if you should use it if there are only 2 targets, rather than 3). I know that haste has a great deal to do with whether to use CL or just LB. I believe you need 500 haste to fit 5 LBs in between a LvB cooldown, correct? Here is my armory if that would help you guys help with recommending CL or not. The World of Warcraft Armory
Thank You!
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This has been gone over MANY times. I am not going to go to your armory and then figure it all out for you. The best thing to do, is go in game, drop a Wrath of Air totem, (preferably get a boomkin/ret paladin in your group for the extra haste), then look at your spells. Pay specific attention to your Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning (which is the same as LvB). Then run some math.
Lava Burst has a 8 second cooldown, and you want to get max spell casts between those 8 seconds. It has nothing to do with how many targets (though having 2+ targets just means you are going to do more DPS and damage overall). Figure out which rotation will fit best in your 8 second cooldown (should probably be CL, LB2, CL ; LB3, CL ; LB4, CL). Then just figure things out from there.
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05/06/09, 6:48 PM
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#4112
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Banned
Orc Death Knight
Suramar (EU)
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Originally Posted by Sekke
This is the conclusion that was made earlier. If you keep 4P T7 Awareness wins, if you get T8 Vengeful wins. Before the T7 buff no one was going to take T8 so Awareness was the best to stick with. But since the nerf, if the old math still holds (and I don't see why it wouldn't) Vengeful will be better once you get T8 (I'm assuming Awareness is still the best for T7).
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Well, my maths lead me to believe the contrary (T7 -> Ulduar Sigil, T8 -> Naxx Sigil), so i must've done something wrong? or maybe u made a lapsus?
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05/06/09, 8:05 PM
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#4113
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Tauren Shaman
Burning Blade
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Thank you guys both a bunch and yes I apologize I know it has been discussed a lot but I feel like their hasn't been a clear answer I could agree with. I will definitely start doing some math on my own and see what works best.
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05/06/09, 8:51 PM
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#4114
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Glass Joe
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Greetings. Leaving the LB vs CS thread for a quick moment if I may.
I am still raiding deep arcane spec with a frost/replenishment 2nd spec for a 10 man Ulduar team. I would very much like to test drive FB or FFB again but I have a couple of questions:
What's the conclusion of the Improved SB is eating my Scorch discussion? Is there a point it putting up scorch if I have a lock with improved SB in the raid? If not, I shouldn't Glyph for it, right?
What are the recommended glyphs for FFB or FB spec at this point and how are people finding the mana regen (FB always seemed tricky to me in terms of mana use).
Sorry if these are answered elsewhere, I know you're theorycrafting at a higher level than these particular questions but I trust the judgment/answers of the people on these boards far more than wading into the spam fest on the blizzard boards.
AC
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05/06/09, 9:54 PM
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#4115
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Mage
Bronzebeard
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Originally Posted by anxietyclown
Greetings. Leaving the LB vs CS thread for a quick moment if I may.
I am still raiding deep arcane spec with a frost/replenishment 2nd spec for a 10 man Ulduar team. I would very much like to test drive FB or FFB again but I have a couple of questions:
What's the conclusion of the Improved SB is eating my Scorch discussion? Is there a point it putting up scorch if I have a lock with improved SB in the raid? If not, I shouldn't Glyph for it, right?
What are the recommended glyphs for FFB or FB spec at this point and how are people finding the mana regen (FB always seemed tricky to me in terms of mana use).
Sorry if these are answered elsewhere, I know you're theorycrafting at a higher level than these particular questions but I trust the judgment/answers of the people on these boards far more than wading into the spam fest on the blizzard boards.
AC
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The first post of the thread has glyph information, and since imp scorch and imp shadow bolt don't stack there would be no reason to cast scorch.
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05/07/09, 1:25 AM
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#4117
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Glass Joe
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Alright, I'm kind of confused.
What caps should a Mutilate rogue be going for?
I've read all the threads and I've heard nothing but differing things
I've heard some people say just stack Agi
I've also heard people say that I should be gemming for Expertise/Hit for the cap
So which is the most beneficial to do, or is it such a little difference that it doesn't even matter?
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05/07/09, 2:58 AM
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#4118
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Glass Joe
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But hit rating does affect the number of white crits you'll see, purely due to less attacks due to misses. Is that what your friend is interpreting as a reduced crit %?
Eg 50% crit with a 20% chance to miss, you have an 80% chance of hitting and 50% of those hits can crit, hence 40% of your swings will crit. You are still critting 50% of hits, just more possible crits are missing.
Edited for wording.
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Cogito Similis Nubis Ergo Est Nubi.
I think like a noob, therefore I am a noob.
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05/07/09, 4:43 AM
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#4119
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Piston Honda
Blood Elf Paladin
Mal'Ganis
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A question for anyone attempting the hard mode of this fight....
We are noticing an incredibly quick swing timer on the boss. Is this bosses attacks being parry-hasted? we are seeing swing timers of .3-.5. Compared to some of the boss kills recorded for this mode, we noticed .7 - .9. It may seem like a small difference, but when your looking at the monstrous swings this guy is putting out it could mean the difference to healers trying to fill the gap.
I was under the impression (along with most of my team), that the parry-haste mechanic was removed from the game. If this is not the case, then obviously we would have to re-evaluate the off tank swinging away. Any thoughts?
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05/07/09, 5:51 AM
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#4120
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Undead Warlock
Bronzebeard
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Originally Posted by Midra
I went to test this on the PTR, out of curiosity (since from some previous tests of mine, I think incin's glyph and emberstorm stack additively). Unfortunately, as of right now, F&B's incin aspect is not functioning as described in the tooltip.
That is, it's still adding 30% of the base incinerate damage to targets with immolate.
I'll try to do tests when something suggests it has been updated.
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That and immolate is broken on the ptr at the moment.
Last edited by Rawor : 05/08/09 at 3:11 PM.
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05/07/09, 6:45 AM
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#4121
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Bald Bull
Blood Elf Paladin
Jaedenar (EU)
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We are noticing an incredibly quick swing timer on the boss. Is this bosses attacks being parry-hasted? we are seeing swing timers of .3-.5. Compared to some of the boss kills recorded for this mode, we noticed .7 - .9. It may seem like a small difference, but when your looking at the monstrous swings this guy is putting out it could mean the difference to healers trying to fill the gap.
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Lightning Charge - Spell - World of Warcraft stacks probably. You need more dps.
Parry haste is very easy to check in the combatlogs, so if you really think he may be getting hasted, just check it.
edit: just at your last statement: afaik the mechanic isn't removed, it's simply turned off for several bosses.
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05/07/09, 6:52 AM
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#4122
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Blood Elf Paladin
Rajaxx (EU)
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Ret having dps probs
hi
i´m playing my ret since BC and think i play it pretty well.
in my opinion i have almost the best possible gear atm here an armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory
the problem i have is that iam hit caped, expertise caped and have a good amount on str and i have a good weapon.
why do other ret such more dps without to be hit or expertise caped?
some wmo stats show ret on #1 that have a missrate about 12% or higher, how can they get such a high dps?
for my rota i use judgement, crusader strike, divine storm, exorcism and consecration.
so can u help me what i´m doing wrong?
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05/07/09, 7:00 AM
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#4123
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Bald Bull
Blood Elf Paladin
Jaedenar (EU)
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Originally Posted by Phageus
hi
i´m playing my ret since BC and think i play it pretty well.
in my opinion i have almost the best possible gear atm here an armory link: The World of Warcraft Armory
the problem i have is that iam hit caped, expertise caped and have a good amount on str and i have a good weapon.
why do other ret such more dps without to be hit or expertise caped?
some wmo stats show ret on #1 that have a missrate about 12% or higher, how can they get such a high dps?
for my rota i use judgement, crusader strike, divine storm, exorcism and consecration.
so can u help me what i´m doing wrong?
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'Simple questions' does not mean 'questions for people who cant be bothered to read anything on their own, ever'.
Read this: 3.1 Retribution Paladin Thread (mostly the rotation part, since you seem to have gearing/gemming/specs +- under control)
If you want more personal help (and have read the damn topic and adjusted your rotation), post a WWS/WMO/Etc.
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05/07/09, 7:02 AM
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#4124
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Blood Elf Paladin
Rajaxx (EU)
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i´ve read this and im make my gear after it, the question i have is why have other rets more dps without using the "guide"
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05/07/09, 7:10 AM
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#4125
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Von Kaiser
Human Warlock
Zuluhed (EU)
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Some time ago we agreed in this thead that Spellstone> Firestone for every singel spec, this is also mentioned in the PVE Rading Compendium.
Last night I realized that firestone is used for Deep destro builds in the simulation.
This is confusing.
Did I miss something? Is there an error in the profiles used for simulation or does the Rading Compendium thread has to be updated?
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