Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 276

Chikin · 05/07/09, 8:14 AM

question :
How to get 1850 arena rating for a pve tank weapon as a pvp noob . i got good pve cat gear but just few pvp items . is there atm any easy mode combo for ferals to get a 1850 rating ?

Chikin

aylen86 · 05/07/09, 8:21 AM

Who are "other rets" and why do you think they did not know anything about our basics?

rldolph79 · 05/07/09, 9:16 AM

Originally Posted by Phageus

i´ve read this and im make my gear after it, the question i have is why have other rets more dps without using the "guide"

You may have read it, but you apparently didn't pay any attention to the information in it... Your priority is wrong, so I'd recommend reading it again.

If you have better gear, your latency and spec are equal, and you're getting consistently beat there could be any number of factors contributing. You could be slow in using your first AW, so they get an extra round of wings. You could be not using your next ability immediately after the GCD from the previous one ends. They could be using the correct priority and switching to favoring AoE abilities in AoE situations. Bluntly, it's probably that they're just a little better player than you are.

If your guild uses WWS or WMO, then you should take a look and figure out for yourself what they are doing that you're not. If your guild doesn't use it, run it yourself... It's free. Alternatively, you could ask the person what they're doing. That's probably the easiest solution.

Korhaug · 05/07/09, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Chikin

question :
How to get 1850 arena rating for a pve tank weapon as a pvp noob . i got good pve cat gear but just few pvp items . is there atm any easy mode combo for ferals to get a 1850 rating ? Chikin

You can't get to 1850 as a "pvp noob" with pve gear. Either start practicing and get the gear (which will take a lot of time and effort, so it's probably not worth it if you're not into pvp) or use a pve weapon.

mox512 · 05/07/09, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Feya

A question for anyone attempting the hard mode of this fight....

We are noticing an incredibly quick swing timer on the boss. Is this bosses attacks being parry-hasted? we are seeing swing timers of .3-.5. Compared to some of the boss kills recorded for this mode, we noticed .7 - .9. It may seem like a small difference, but when your looking at the monstrous swings this guy is putting out it could mean the difference to healers trying to fill the gap.

Are you sure that you controlled or killed all the adds? One of them have 20% haste buff that will affect Thorim.

Lobonija · 05/07/09, 10:51 AM

Putting effort into becoming good at pvp will increase your skill overall regardless of your focus, for various reasons.

Chikin · 05/07/09, 11:57 AM

ok i take back the "pvp noob" lets say i am out of practice since one and a half season . there is a decent number of good pvp players in my guild who will help me to get a good tank weapon for our raid . at least i will try(!) to get the 1850 staff . i just dont know who i should ask in order to get a good combo .

Drans · 05/07/09, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Chikin

ok i take back the "pvp noob" lets say i am out of practice since one and a half season . there is a decent number of good pvp players in my guild who will help me to get a good tank weapon for our raid . at least i will try(!) to get the 1850 staff . i just dont know who i should ask in order to get a good combo .

Priest/Feral is about the only viable feral comp left. To be honest, doing naxx 10 or 25 for KT staff will be easier than getting 1850 if you have never done pvp or arena before.

teddypicker · 05/07/09, 12:31 PM

1-1weaving is always possible on every ulduar fight to be honest. im 41/30 spec if ur at max range u will have no problems with 1-1 so for example at 40% when ur coa or corr drops reply them whilst getting max range then it shold be possible. haste of course is a factor but with the masters stone it can be done consistently. when coa or lmmo drops just wait till ur decimation has procced and reaplly ur dots spam 1incin then i sf then go back to 1-1

Torrential · 05/07/09, 12:36 PM

Aside from Tier sets with proper bonuses what is it that Holy/Disc DPS needs to be raid worthy?

From either glyphs or talents here are some ideas:

Increase holy fire DoT duration and damage by X%. Or Duration by X seconds and damage by Y%
Make the Holy Fire debuff similar to, or simply the same as, Judgment of Light while keeping it's damage component. Or: victims of your Holy Fire do a Mark of Blood type effect.
Reverse the Holy Nova glyph.
Some mechanic that gimps Penance's healing in favor of more damage.
A re-shuffling of talents allowing Surge of Light and Penance.
Something more reactive than simply 'I can use a 1.5 second GCD for smite instead of a 1.7 second cast for smite' as part of a rotation.
An execute. Linked to Holy Fire so it's not so spamable it turns OP in execute range.
A trade-off of Shadow damage for Holy Damage. So that adding SW:P in a rotation or using Mind Sear over Holy Nova isn't viable. This leads me to thinking something in deep holy, which of course removes Penance from the equation which is fine, so long as it's replaced with something to do in the rotation other than Holy Fire -> Smite Spam -> Repeat. Not necessarily a new spell, but going back to the reactionary rotation idea.

Edit: A deep holy talent that gimped healing and shadow damage. This talent would be a requirement to take a talent that granted Holy Bolt.

Holy Bolt could: Consume the holy fire debuff for extra damage. Or your smites while holy fire was active would somehow stack either a buff on you or debuff on the mob that would make holy bolt hit harder. Or Holy Bolt could be like Pyroblast and have a long cast time unless you procced something with smite to make it shorter or instant. Or any number of things.

I don't think it's too absurd for Blizzard to consider. DKs have three trees that are supposed to all be tank and all be dps trees. Other than time investment I see no reason why priests shouldn't have something similar.

I'm aware that the goal here is more in line with figuring out what can be done with the game as is, but posting suggestions on the WoW boards and hoping for good discussion seems like a worse idea than risking an infraction here.

DaDeigo · 05/07/09, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by steelcat

i wanted to know what addon is underneath the actionbars in this screenshot:

thanks in advance

Wow i love this ui. Can anyone list or pm me what these mods ar especially that graph for dps at the bottom.

Tragik · 05/07/09, 3:50 PM

I think I should get myself banned again:

How is the Conqueror's Deathbringer set an increase over the Valorous Plagueheart set for a 0/56/15 Meta lock?

I maintain about 95% uptime of the Life Tap Glyph and my 4 pc. bonus as I use rank one Life Tap to maintain my Illustration of the Dragon Soul.

I'm generally around 3800-4000 spell power full raid buffed, with the Illustration stacked, flasked, etc.

At that point, my napkin math shows a 6 spell power difference between T8 and t7 and a loss of 123 haste going to T8.

I gain crit.

This appears to be a major loss since I keep up the life tap glyph.

In my ban email, can you at least point me in the direction of the mathematics illustrating why T8 is better?

It seriously seems terrible to me........for all but affliction warlocks......

skrapes · 05/07/09, 5:20 PM

ill have to download the app ill get back to you with it once i have done so

jeffason · 05/07/09, 5:48 PM

Warlock_T8_00_13_58 Int=0.63 Spi=0.83 SP=1.55 Crit=0.99 Haste=1.32
Warlock_T8_03_13_55 Int=0.28 Spi=0.94 SP=1.49 Crit=0.97 Haste=1.37

Something seems wrong with the way spirit is weighted in these scale factors. 00_13_58 doesn't use glyph of lifetap but weighting of spirit is so close to 03_13_55 which does use the glyph. I was expecting to see ~20% diff in weight assuming 100% glyph lifetap uptime. Where's the discrepancy?

Zultan · 05/07/09, 8:11 PM

Prior to 3.1 there was an issue with Immolate where if you renewed it before it expired it may not actually reapply on the target wasting mana, cast time and a gcd. I've noticed that this bug still has not been fixed and there are no mentions of it in the 3.1.2 test realm patch notes. Is this something Blizzard intended to prevent precasting of immolate?