Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 277

xavier2k3 · 08/08/09, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by fishleg

This was answered, but only to be sure, without GT or runestone, as arms, stacking arp is best way to go ? ( i have 66% and didnt get all epic sockets in my slots yet)?

Yes it is, look 10 posts up and you'll find an explanation.

Lazengann · 08/08/09, 3:18 PM

Thanks, doc

leladax · 08/08/09, 3:26 PM

^ frost.

Another question: Is stamina so 'imba' that even Essence of Gossamer is better than an ilevel 219+? I'm not saying that because I believe it, but because I can't believe how many people are convinced in my realm and beyond that it's better to use a blue trinket just because it increases HP even if the avoidance alternative is more than 2 sub-tiers later.

Also what is with so many people ignoring completely gem bonuses just to gem stamina? I suspect there's a "fashion trend" going on. Not that stamina isn't spectacularly important in tanking, it is, but because the alternative of avoidance can not be so useless so that can be completely ignored.

Kanthos · 08/08/09, 5:39 PM

Here's my UI, it's built only for PvE/Raiding so it isn't very PvP friendly atm.
Solo:

Raid/BG:

santamar1a · 08/08/09, 6:48 PM

k so the current 0/17/54 build requires end game gear, i just tested on naxx and my dps decreased substantially,

so any tips for not so geared dks? would you recommend to go back to the SS build we used pre 3.2? any tips ull like to add?

id really appreciate any help and im pretty sure many readers will appreciate it as well

thx

Melbuframa · 08/08/09, 6:58 PM

Updated Class needs 8/8

Rakuin · 08/08/09, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Feist-Mok

The one you can stand looking at for 80 levels and however many hours of endgame time you play on it.

The racial distinctions are sufficiently small that it's far better to play what you'll find fun.

BE is sexy, but god is there mounts ever ugly.. I LOVE orc's mounts, but orcs are ugly rofl.

Flanders · 08/08/09, 10:59 PM

I feel the 0-17-54 spec isn't providing any benefit over the 3-13-55 spec. The extra RP you get for DC is nice but is it worth what your sacrificing talents for? I definately feel 2 talent points in IR is a waste of talents pve wise. I'm currently testing the 3-13-55 spec but haven't had much raiding with it since I mainly tank for my guild. Am thinking about going 0-13-58 though just to see how that fares. In this spec I would max out Necrosis and pick up IUP which would be helpful on some fights. Here is my current spec. Am running with 2 piece T8 bonus. Currently ~30% ArP.
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bandaids · 08/09/09, 12:45 AM

Hand of Reckoning is no longer able to be used on targets that are immune to taunt, including players.

Sunfire · 08/09/09, 1:00 AM

Originally Posted by Scottti

This LB change does a few things for the mage class. First of all, it adds more of a play style. Good and bad mages are going to be separated even more between each other, because this makes us have to think more in depth about the boss fight and how many LB's would produce the most sufficient DPS if there are multiple targets. Just something to think about.

My problem is the broader state of our class which this nerf muddies even more:

1) As of 3.2, we have no viable raid spec without at least 51pts in the Fire tree - with multi-LB + HS Proc that was almost tolerable but now it just smacks of lazy design.

2) We have 0 specs no matter how good you are that allow us to compete with an equally skilled, equally geared warlock. AND they have 3 raid specs that can do DPS comparable or greater than our 1.

I'd like to see a context where if I am a "great mage" - that elevates me over other pure DPS classes ... not just "less great" mages.

You can call this "complaining" if you want but the simple truth is that I find very little incentive to maximize my DPS / gear / performance etc. if the best I can hope for is being 5th in damage on a range-friendly fight while having to use the same spec and gear as every other raiding mage just to avoid falling out the top 10.

aleksandor · 08/09/09, 1:38 AM

Originally Posted by bandaids

Hand of Reckoning is no longer able to be used on targets that are immune to taunt, including players.

Damn, barely got to use that thing. well i guess we can safely take that out of our calculations now.

Sheoloch · 08/09/09, 7:41 AM

Is it just me or was 41/30 hybrid spec a bit revived with 3.2 coming out and pet scaling a lot better with your stats?used destro 13/58 before it came out and now I tried 41/30 again and while imp gives you 100% chance to crit when hitting critically you already have overall the same crit permanently from felguard thanks to demonic tactics and about 300-400 more spellpower from demonic knowledge and +5% more damage from master demonologist,and spellstone provides 240 haste with points in master conjuror allowing for much faster casts,felguard also deals out a great deal more damage then imp and also cleaves for some AoE and if it dies you can at least once summon it quickly back with fel domination,something that you cant do with imp on destro spec,anyone got any ideas about this?Would really like to hear some pro/cons,thanks in advance!

jlrm365 · 08/09/09, 7:55 AM

Eventually, as I used an addon to create an all-in-one macro and had problems with the addon, I thought I would go down the click-button route. I've been using the following, for a while, and it's proven quite successful:

MAIN MACRO:

#showtooltip Steady Shot
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast !Auto Shot
/click MultiBarBottomRightButton8
/click MultiBarBottomRightButton9
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
CLICK MACRO 01

/castsequence reset=15/target Serpent Sting, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot, !Auto Shot
CLICK MACRO 02

/castsequence reset=3/combat Arcane Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot, Steady Shot

I would like to get Multi-shot worked into what I have somehow.

At the moment, I have no trouble working it by hand - but would just like to try it in a macro. Ideas?

Also, is anyone doing anything - other than manual application - with Kill Shot?

I am aware of the feeling on macro versus manual, but this "multi-shot" issue is just to see what's possible - to compare and contrast - so any help would be gratefully received.

Thanks.

Money · 08/09/09, 8:56 AM

is there any blood dw build wich compete to an frost or unholy build?

molixa · 08/09/09, 9:07 AM

I've got a question about Enh shaman. I've heard that enhancements scale very bad with items. For example in Icecrown gear they will be at the down of damage meters. Is it ture ? Or is there inversely ?

They could scale bad with items due to the fact, half of their spellpower is from raid buffs. Not so much dmg is depended by the weapons.

What do you think?

Riggy · 08/09/09, 9:35 AM

Originally Posted by Toodels

Latest:

Raid:

Addons:

Ill most probably change my Unitframes to Pitbull 4 as soon as we got the release.
Other suggestions always appreciated

Could you list your Add-ons please?

eurynom · 08/09/09, 9:39 AM

hi all, great forum here =), im really really no pro but i found something that works for my gear(very bad) and playstyle and might help others

why ? = because i work alot and have shitty gear AND i wanted to keep SS in case of future nerf of oblit with uh

the spec = 2/10/59

gear= basicly in all preraid gear from heroics and some pvp items, just 1 t7 (chest) so no bonus from it. and every slot has STR for the AP and of course the AP enchants where they fit, weapon is a titansteel destroyer

this spec so far outperforms 0/17/54 ,12/0/59 and 51/0/20 . keep in mind that with high level gear this prolly isnt true, but if you are badly geared then it will work out really nice, i was topping out 3.6k singletarget dmg in HVH today same place with the other specs i couldnt break 3k, great stuff is you have an abundance of RP to blow on DC, and thats what its aimed for, lots of DC so dump dump dump :P

im sure it can be improved and please do but remember its for low lvl gear

the reason im not having more dc in the rotation is because this is actually my castsequence, i add more dc's and throw in another SS manually because its very situational, and its easy to bork the castsequence
SINGLE ROTATION= Plague Strike, Icy Touch, Blood Strike, Blood Strike, Scourge Strike, Death Coil, Scourge Strike, Death Coil, Scourge Strike, Death Coil, Scourge Strike

this needs work, i havent figured it out yet because of time issues, basicly built this build yesterday, but it works for now
AOE ROTATION= Plague Strike, Icy Touch, pestilence, Scourge Strike, Death Coil, Blood Boil, Scourge Strike, Blood Boil, Death Coil

spam these and hotkey DC cause you will cast it alot inbetween, whenever your rp is high enough just spam away another dc (dont do it when exactly at 40 or ull just mess up the rotation, gotta have an overhead, and you will)

GLYPHS: GHOUL,DARK DEATH,UNHOLY BLIGHT

SIGILL: vengeful heart (havent got enough badges to try awereness yet but i suspect this is better anyhow since im dc heavy)

hope it helps someone! =)

a lil edit: try and get speed enchant on boots i know i dont but i intend to have that. and also it would be GREAT if anyone else could try it, possibly even with high lvl gear (high being very relative :P)

edit2: forgot to mention in the AOE situations you can switch target between the first DC and the second DC to get UB going on another target and just keep repeating that on the dumps til the diseases drops

cheers!

Xilena · 08/09/09, 11:08 AM

Hey, I've gotta short question here. Do you guys think, that my current gear is good for Blood-DPS, or should I go Frost or Unholy DPS? I'm asking that, because I do very hard at hitting 5k DPS in Raid, and my guild is telling me that I'm to low on DPS. I switched than to Tank, and now with 3.2 I wanted to give DPS a new try.

Sergey · 08/09/09, 11:31 AM

I think 10 man was a little challenging without the right group makeup.
The first two bosses were insanely easy the first time I did it but the 3rd was hitting way too hard for our healers to deal with, 2 raid + a disc priest I believe. The tanks weren't great, Uld 10 geared, so could've been a bit of the problem. Anyway, the first two fights are rather simple number wise, and I think we got lucky with poisons on the Jormungar's and just aced that every time. We wiped against Icehowl for maybe 30 mins then tanks had to go, it was a pug so not a worry there.
Came back the next day with another pug, well bunch of friends mainly. Started as resto druid, holy priest and disco priest with a DK Tank and Pally OffTank, both well geared, and a bunch of 3k+ dps. We did fine, got Gormak without trouble and did the Jormungar's with a little trouble, but Icehowl was another wipefest. Disco priest was lacking in heals majorly and had to go so replaced him with an Uld 25 geared Holy Pally. After that it was no trouble just getting the poison on the Jomungar's. So I think the hardest part in 10 man atm would be heals not really expecting the rather bigger requirements than that in Uld and Naxx? It was harder than 25 man but not all that challenging, and it was fun

25 man I did earlier today. Extremely simple, over half the group had no clue what to do. First try we wiped on Jormungar's cause tank got stunned and then everyone just died. Second try we lost a tank on Gormak, unlucky timing I think?, but pulled through and easily finished it off with 20+ people alive. Our 25 man is mostly Uld geared, we generally sit around 4k dps average, with the top being 5.5k generally, was myself at 4.8k in this fight, tanks are well geared, 40k+ hp buffed, and heals are good but was missing a holy pally this try, swapped for a healing shaman.
Overall we have had no hassle like we have on Ulduar so far, we're only 10/14 from today (finally downed Thorim today :P). I'm hopping the next boss is more of a challenge on 25 man and about the same on 10 man, maybe higher dps requirements?

No group, unless in Naxx gear, should have great trouble with either mode. They are rather fun fights though and you do start to worry when Icehowl charges you and he's on 25%, you just hope to god you don't stuff up :P Better than Uld was for me so far

leladax · 08/09/09, 12:41 PM

Rune of Repulsion or The Black Heart?

I know the popular answer is "gief stamina pliz, even if it's 1 stamina vs 1000 dodge". But I'd like an explanation. The later is ilevel213, the former 200. "Have you ever tried ulduar hard mode?" is not an answer. I have.

jumpshot · 08/09/09, 1:29 PM

What spec seems to be producing the best results for dps / dmg in actual raid situations ? Can anyone link any reports they may have.

thx in advance

elessar44 · 08/09/09, 3:05 PM

Thanks very much for the updates, it really helps out someone like myself who is still learning the ins & outs of raiding as a Warlock!

Uroboros · 08/09/09, 3:27 PM

Alright, so I'm having an extremely hard time adjusting to DW. Currently I'm using the 0/53/18 spec. And I have yet to break 4k dps with it. With my gear I'm pretty sure I can... but I'm not. Can anyone help me out?
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Paradox · 08/09/09, 3:37 PM

is there an EP for the focus stone trinket?

Ash*** · 08/09/09, 3:38 PM

Originally Posted by Uroboros

Alright, so I'm having an extremely hard time adjusting to DW. Currently I'm using the 0/53/18 spec. And I have yet to break 4k dps with it. With my gear I'm pretty sure I can... but I'm not. Can anyone help me out?
My Armory:
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