Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 294

hellord · 05/17/09, 8:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nathrezhim

Hey everyone,

thats the time when a long-time reader cuts in the discussion.
I've been reading Elitist Jerks for a long time but since patch 3.1 is online I've managed to get a lot of problems with my warrior, especially when it comes to arms. I've been leveling as a fury and I've been raiding as a fury but I never played arms in my whole lifetime at WoW, so maybe you can help me out.
I know that arms runs better when wielding a two-handed weapon but I prefer to dual wield (fury-habit ^^'), so my question is what hitcap and maybe what pros and contras are given if you run on DW arms or not.

Currently my equip is completely fury-like and I know I have to get sockets with ArP because ArP scales 0.1 points better then Str, if I'm right.
Here's the link to my current gear: World of Warcraft EU Armory Link

I'm untalented because I didn't play my warrior for about 2 months, so don't wonder.

DW Arms is not viable.
To gem arp you need 30% arp and around 3k ap ungemmed, so you are lacking some gear still.

Dealt · 05/17/09, 9:58 AM

The epic and heroic part mostly involves a killer starting zone and quest-lines and skipping 55 levels.

edit: Replying to a deleted post I guess?

lavandyke · 05/17/09, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Metaknight

we are classified as a hybrid, and will be balanced accordingly as a hybrid

and here is the problem. blizz try to nerf our dps to be similar to the other hybrids. but on the other hand all dps-hybrids, even some pure dd's, have more raid-support then the dps-dk's (ok blood has two, but frost and unholy only has one). so if our dps get nerfed because we are - OMG - in the top of the meters for 3 or 4 bosses out of 14, then we are not competitive to other hybrids and
doomed to sit out.
edit: horn isn`t a real unique-support, cause you don`t need a special dps-dk (all dk`s are able to do so), all shamans have the buff and the most important thing: one enhancer and nobody cares about our stupid horn.

wonderjeff · 05/17/09, 10:55 AM

I'm just starting to gear my freshly 80 rogue, who will be replacing my resto shaman as my main becuase I fell in love with the class.

Is there a good gearing guide you guys could recommend, something with a basic path of ideals to get before naxx?
If you could send me a private message that'd be great.

PawnedDaily · 05/17/09, 11:20 AM

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31051335230351

I've followed this thread and haven't seen this build tested. Perhaps i missed it, but it seems at first glance that 3 points in unholy power would be worth more dps than soul leech & imp soul leech if your raid already has replenishment.

hawklol · 05/17/09, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by lavandyke

and here is the problem. blizz try to nerf our dps to be similar to the other hybrids. but on the other hand all dps-hybrids, even some pure dd's, have more raid-support then the dps-dk's (ok blood has two, but frost and unholy only has one). so if our dps get nerfed because we are - OMG - in the top of the meters for 3 or 4 bosses out of 14, then we are not competitive to other hybrids and
doomed to sit out.
edit: horn isn`t a real unique-support, cause you don`t need a special dps-dk (all dk`s are able to do so), all shamans have the buff and the most important thing: one enhancer and nobody cares about our stupid horn.

yes i agree, one enhancement shaman/ warlock and dps support seems to be at a loss. If blizzard nerfs our aoe, i got three words for you: fan of knives. Assuming that dks would be equal to a pure because of the lack of support, and factoring in the time that we need to set up our aoe, nerfing unholy blight doesnt seem like the most intelligent approach, but i kno blizz and i kno its coming neways.

Ozoko · 05/17/09, 1:17 PM

selthorstone · 05/17/09, 1:18 PM

ok i have a quick question...

I'm MT healing in 10 ulduar, haven't touched 25 yet

i have 356 haste not counting JotW.

I'm gemmed for INT should i gem foe haste for ulduar to get it up,

note: i have had incredbly bad luck getting upgrades the last month or so.

Riyno · 05/17/09, 1:54 PM

Berserk or accuracy on worldcarver?

I just got a Worldcarver and I'm wondering what to get on it. Now before anyone says anything my hit cap with my deathsbite is 149 and my crit is 35%. That's a 90 crit loss and a 62 hit loss forcing me to re gem at least 2 16 STR gems for hit. Without accuracy I would have to re gem a bit more.

Is 130ish AP worth more then about 32 STR, 25 hit and 25 crit?

Sorry for the offtopic

Cajin · 05/17/09, 3:38 PM

I have a question, after xxx arm pen when should one completely replace shred with rake?

Also which weapon would be the better choice in terms of dps Journeys End or Spire of Withering Dreams?

Lerxst · 05/17/09, 4:15 PM

Thank you very much!

Trixia · 05/17/09, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Apollion

You should be able to get enough haste to dip below the soft cap and still make it effective for your FoL because of lag, from personal experience, the best I've ever seen my latency was 200 ms so, even with a much better connection Id expect 100 ms unless you're standing right next to your server. If we wanted to find the 'perfect' haste value to stack, we'd probably want to include latency into the calculation. This past week I moved and now am getting 300-500 ms if I'm lucky, so where before I didn't really feel the need to stack haste. Now I'm gemming more and more for haste because of how much lag I'm getting.

Wow. I don't know how u play at all with 300-500ms. When my latency gets that high on occasion when our internet is having issues, I feel like i'm casting in jello. I guess I'm lucky being in Souther Cali next to Blizzard on a West Coast server. I average 20-50ms most of the time, and i really notice the difference when I get 200+ range.

PawnedDaily · 05/17/09, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by Esarus

The 12% extra Imp damage from 3/5 Unholy Power is less of a damage increase over Improved Soul Leech. Imp Soul Leech doesn't only give Replenishment, it gives you 2% of total mana everytime it procs too. This gives the Warlock more time to DPS instead of lifetapping, eventually giving a higher DPS increase than Unholy Power.

Oh and if you don't want to go Imp Soul Leech, 3/3 Supression in Affliction is a much better alternative than Unholy Power.

I appreciate your answer, not really sure i agree with all of it though. Imp Soul Leech is worth 1 lifetap every 31 casts.

(average mana from life tap / mana returned from isl) /.3 = casts needed to recover mana from lifetap:

(3750/400)/.3 = 31.25 ---sidenote that isl scales negatively with spirit.

That is essentially one lifetap a minute. So can you do more damage than 12% of your imp's dps over 60 seconds in one gcd? I don't have a log that shows an imp's dps in a raid enviroment, but if we assume 600 dps without unholy power, then unholy power adds 72 dps to the imp. (600 * 12) Thats 60*72 for 4320 dmg in one gcd. I think the only spell that would meet that dmg/cast time requirement would be COD. Any fight that requires movement were you can essentially life tap for free further reduces the value of imp soul leech. That's almost every fight in ulduar.

As for suppression, its a great talent if you have the ability to get to 11% hit. The combination of gear i would need to wear to accomplish that would be so gimped that the talent is essentially of no value to me. Perhaps as gear becomes available to me that may change, but at this point in time that talent might as well not exist.

Imagedyou · 05/17/09, 6:16 PM

can anyone help me out with some rotation tips for ttw/fb

im having issues in ulduar with my dps and im just lookin for some variety

Tamotsuhoose · 05/17/09, 6:30 PM

Quick dps question concerning the 2h weapon. Which is better the Titansteel Destroyer or Death Blite? As I have been reading, Strength and AP are what a dps DK wants/needs. So is it better to have the 47 more AP with the Destroy and lose the Crit and min hit points? Just wondering what your thoughts are, thx.