Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 298

Pash · 05/19/09, 5:23 AM

2 Fogge

I have exactly same spec, but with 1 point in magic attunement spent into arc barrage. i tend to use that spec on mimiron, ignis, FL turrets, so the range is not a problem

LazyGarfield · 05/19/09, 8:48 AM

hey,

I read up the arcane rotation and made a macro for ab3abarr (AM on proc) but unlike stated on the post it´s less dps than ab3am (no matter if it procs or not).

Did 3.1 change anything so that it´s not worth to use abarr after 3ab anymore?

I wonder if "Torment the weak" is even useful on bosses? Are bosses not immune to snare? Does anyone know on which bosses it is working and on which it is not?

Ktyz · 05/19/09, 8:51 AM

Hey guys.

I was wondering which rotation that is the best right now. I would be really glad if u could help me out.

Kind regards Ktyz!

Darrien · 05/19/09, 9:48 AM

I am going to be testing to see if there is a Dmg increase with 20 spell pen gem on the dummy tonight (would have done it last night but my battle group went down)

I seem to remember that spell pen got the same treatment as armor pen only you need less of it.

I am currently at work and will not be able to test till I get home. Has this been tested at all or is it a waste of time.

seems to in my mind that it would lower restances. thus increasing poison application.

neonman · 05/19/09, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by Darrien

I am going to be testing to see if there is a Dmg increase with 20 spell pen gem on the dummy tonight (would have done it last night but my battle group went down)

I seem to remember that spell pen got the same treatment as armor pen only you need less of it.

I am currently at work and will not be able to test till I get home. Has this been tested at all or is it a waste of time.

seems to in my mind that it would lower restances. thus increasing poison application.

It won't do anything, since the training dummies (nor pretty much all bosses, few exceptions in BC) don't have any resistances to be lowered by spellpen. Spellpen is a pvp stat.

Mavajo · 05/19/09, 9:55 AM

Until players are able to perform their functions as precisely and accurately as the spreadsheets assume, and fights are as ideal as the spreadsheets assume, any conclusion drawn from said spreadsheets needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Especially if the discrepancy between the two is fairly minimal - which is currently the case. The two specs have different play styles, and players have different sets of strengths and weaknesses. So while the spreadsheet may say Player X would get a 50 DPS increase by doing Combat, he may in reality get better production from Mutilate because it suits his play style or skill set better.

Long story short, arguing that spreadsheets simulate Spec X as being better than Spec Z seems a bit silly. No one executes things as well as the spreadsheet models. If the difference between the two specs is minimal, go with what feels the most natural to you or what you feel gives YOU the best personal results. This may mean you always play Combat, or that you always play Mutilate - or that you rotate based on the fight. The long and short of it is that the spreadsheet shouldn't be your sole determining factor as what's best. What's best for Aldrianna, for example, may not be best for me. And vice versa.

These spreadsheets are extremely helpful, but they're not the determining factor in what's best. Only your performance can determine that.

Darrien · 05/19/09, 9:55 AM

True, it is a pvp atat. Thats why i ask have seen a bunch of resists to envenom and poisons some almost up to 30% from Uldar bosses. Wish i had a parse but had to reload my System.

Fogge · 05/19/09, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by LazyGarfield

hey,

I read up the arcane rotation and made a macro for ab3abarr (AM on proc) but unlike stated on the post it´s less dps than ab3am (no matter if it procs or not).

Did 3.1 change anything so that it´s not worth to use abarr after 3ab anymore?

I wonder if "Torment the weak" is even useful on bosses? Are bosses not immune to snare? Does anyone know on which bosses it is working and on which it is not?

Everything you ask for is available in the first post.

As for TTW, it kicks in on all types of slows: Movement (bosses are likely to be immune however), ranged attack (even if the boss has no ranged attack), melee and spell casting. Any tank worth his or her salt is going to keep melee attack slows up at all times basically. Get a addon that tracks it (I use Scorchio2) and you will see that it's up surprisingly often.

Giloran · 05/19/09, 11:02 AM

Bosses have 24 (8 per level difference) resistance against all spellschools that can't be reduced by spell penetration which is the reason for partial resists. There are very few bosses that have 'real' resistance though - Supremus has a lot of fire resistance for example - but as far as i know none of the Ulduar bosses do.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Darrien · 05/19/09, 11:17 AM

Thanks, thats what i was forgeting the can't be reduced part. going to try it today anyways for giggles its alts naxx day.

IF i come up with anything suprising i'll post

SylvanSorrow · 05/19/09, 11:34 AM

Personally I run 2 specs and abuse dual speccing.

I run 0:40:31 as my primary and I know a lot of people don't think conflagrate is worth it anymore but I still firmly believe it is, and in many ulduar fights I find it to be far better than 0:41:30. The difference between FG and Conflag is while they are close the conflage spec does more DPS for the lock versus the pet, so fights like hodir and vezax are superior as 0:40:31, I also prefer it for trash, I also love seeing big numbers, with my current gear 17k conflag crits are not uncommon at all, neither are 22k soulfire crits, and on hodir I have actually seen an 87k soulfire crit. Its just fun to see those big numbers.

I also run deep afflic as my alt spec, and fights like Ignis and most notably Yogg-saron where there are forced breaks in casting I find affliction to be much better. On our first yogg kill I managed 6.4kdps and I was doing CoE the whole time.

In 3.1.2 though Im going to replace my hybrid spec with deep destro as the numbers Ive run on that have simply been better with the changes. WE are raiding tonight and I will be 0:13:58 and let everyone know how that goes.

Harrumph · 05/19/09, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Saltyone

RF>KS>ES>SrS>BA>AS>SS: 6670.68 ± 12.22. My current priority, SrS > BA
RF>KS>ES>BA>SrS>AS>SS: 6666.07 ± 18.56. My current priority, BA > SrS
RF>KS>BA>ES>SrS>AS>SS: 6658.28 ± 25.49. To match BA CD to SrS duration by weaving ES
RF>KS>BA>SrS>ES>AS>SS: 6609.37 ± 22.65. Buff every damaging shot concept, BA > SrS
RF>KS>ES>BA>AS>SrS>SS: 6668.77 ± 12.58. To match BA CD to SrS duration by weaving AS
RF>KS>SrS>BA>ES>AS>SS: 6628.75 ± 20.54. Buff every damaging shot concept, SrS > BA

Thank you so much for your analysis Salty. This kind of data is extremely useful to me as I don't have excel so have to run the spreadsheet in OO, thus not being able to do these sort of calcs myself. Awesome.

EDIT: loling at my own sig, it's a bit old... :P

Mann� · 05/19/09, 12:50 PM

[Illustration of the Dragon Soul] / [Scale of Fates] / [Eye of the Broodmother] Which of the two should I combine? At [Flare of the Heavens] I'm not gonna have a shot I think in the foreseeable future.
And when I will, which one should I exchange?

Thanks, Mann�*

Warlockx · 05/19/09, 1:45 PM

I had a question on the sim craft for 0/13/58:

warlock=Warlock_T8_00_13_58
level=80
talents=http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?warl...31051335230351
actions=flask,type=frost_wyrm/food,type=tender_shoveltusk_steak/fire_stone/fel_armor/summon_pet,imp
actions+=/curse_of_doom,time_to_die>=90/immolate/conflagrate/chaos_bolt/incinerate/life_tap
Warlock_T8_Hit_Gear.simcraft
glyph_conflagrate=1
glyph_incinerate=1
glyph_immolate=1

Basically why is Life tap in the rotation IF you don't have the life tap glyph and you have replenishment? Am I missing something here? Or is that an error? Either way this would throw off the sim right? Because: if you are lifetapping without the glyph that would lower DPS so the sim should actually be higher OR if you are using the life tap glyph + the 3 others the sim is off and should actually be lower right?

BrauChief · 05/19/09, 2:32 PM

Can someone tell me if I created a good afflok spec here or if im a flipping moron? (im leveling on a pvp server still have the pts in life tap atm so this isnt for duels but pve dmg and able to fight off the random horde)
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