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Old 09/04/09, 1:22 AM   #7676
stiyles
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
<AOD>
Kargath
holy pally

To the founders of EJ and to the brains behind it, please give feedback on what im about to say

Main character : Stiyles - Kargath - Army of Darkenss - Holy Pally

1st off im probably posting this in the wrong thread but i couldnt get any other 1 to let me

Ive recently about 2weeks ago decided to tinker w/ my build, ive use to have all int gem liek everyone says! and my spec was 51/5/15 glyphs , 5% increased heals , becon of light , ...? (brain fart) anyways.... and meta was like 2% int and crit maybe i forget .. but to move on ... im now
51/2/18 .... 5% heals / 1sec of Holy shock CD and , Beacon of Light .. which im thinking of going 5% increased heals ... altho not haveing to cast beacon for another 30 sec's is nice
Im also using now the 15 MP5 / 3% crit healing effect meta .. maybe wrong on exact stat on that but its close .
Ive also gemed all spl power ... everyone says int... i know i know it gives all thsoe deversified stats .. that is nice!
although im not have OOM issues at all .. i could be popin my CD for mana more often and be using illumination more often if need be .. but like i said im not OOM, or worried about it
Im wanting to try all Crit gems ... i think 45crit gives about 1%? so thats for every 2 gems
Oh btw .. professions .. i gave up skinning and learned tailoring for enchant to cloak ,, lightweave(proc of spl power)
im wanting to give up herb for inscription ... shoulder enchant ... altho Enchating rings + make money
I dont know if that has anything to do w/ it .. but i did it for a reason .. jsut lettign u know


My heals have increased alot ..on meters ... for what its worth ive improved ,, altho im playing a different stiyle of healing now .. im doing Shock/Flash type healing and use holy light to give more spl power or jsut part of my rotation .. every fight is different .yes i also do spam holy light when needed . but for the most part my stiyle of healing has changed . and improved

It seems to me w/ webstats that im now a more effitive healer , in addition i put out more heals .. i think my record in past 2 weeks was 4.7k HPS ....
Ive then posted 2-3 days ago a lil something about what i feel like ive discovered or what ever.. but i feel it has to do w/ everything .. meta , gems ( maybe can be improved w/ crit or spl/crit ) glyphs ( maybe impoved w/ 5% bonus healing instead of beacon 30secs ) glyph ,, and play stiyle

im trying to be as descriptive as possible ... ive been told to stop being a noob and gem int ... gem int then talk smack ... int is the best gem for pally's

im not trying to say its not ... im just saying i may have found a nice build .. to be a more effective holy pally

to me it all makes sense ... EJ out there feedback please ...all the feed back im getting is gem int...

This is to all the brains out there ... that make this site possible

Stiyles - Kargath - AoD

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Old 09/04/09, 1:37 AM   #7677
stiyles
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
<AOD>
Kargath
oops

sorry for posting 2x i didnt think it went through

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Old 09/04/09, 5:56 AM   #7678
foma
 
pretor
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Гром
offtopic
Found some results on GoDRW vs GoDD be4 patch came out
did anyone test it in 3.2
math would be nice
Sorry cant test it on sim in office right now

Last edited by foma : 09/04/09 at 6:05 AM.

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Old 09/04/09, 8:10 AM   #7679
Nihlo
Von Kaiser
 
Tauren Druid
 
Alleria (EU)
1. where's the expertise-cap ? Here are diffrent threads with different values (25 or 26), wowwiki says 26.

2. How much strength do you need to use kings instead of might (blood dps) ?

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Old 09/04/09, 8:31 AM   #7680
Cvarto
Glass Joe
 
Undead Warlock
 
Proudmoore
Originally Posted by Tornwings View Post
Could you posibly try a 0/22/49 build? With the new master conjuror, I've been curious about it.

It's not worth it. If you use spellstone for the haste, you lost the 1% direct damage spell buff (and chaos bolt). It's not worth losing Chaos Bolt for the additional crit on firestone.

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Old 09/04/09, 9:37 AM   #7681
Tromit
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Shadowsong (EU)
Hi guys after respeccing a couple of million times I now come to the experts (: I have been trying to get duel Wield to function since 3.2 but generaly i havent been satisfied. So i tryied both the Blood dps guide and the recomended spec for frost Duel wield acording to forums. I see other deathknights with simelar gear as min putting out sick numbers I just cant seem to deliver the same damage, this is not a "help me not suck" post (: As main spec im tank and doing fine But It has shown useful to deliver sick dps when no offtank is needed. Plus its fun (:

What is ppls experiance on duel wield vs. 2h dps?

/ Regards your friendly giant

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Old 09/04/09, 10:08 AM   #7682
Fimka
Banned
 
Human Paladin
 
Grizzly Hills
Hello,

i am looking for some help, i have been playing as a Holy spec lately and now i swithced back to ret. What i noticed is that i was doing significantly more damage before 3.2 patch with worse gear (see my armory link for stats The World of Warcraft Armory), i believe that we are still using FCFS, as a benchmark can you please post what dps i should be doing with my stats and gear on an Ulduar boss (10man Ignis), i was sitting at around 3.3k.

Thx

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Old 09/04/09, 10:31 AM   #7683
mambO23
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Blackmoore (EU)
Hey.

In the combat sheet i miss some items.

For example: Nymph Heart Charm.

How can i add the item to the sheet?

Greez

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Old 09/04/09, 10:49 AM   #7684
Indalecio
Glass Joe
 
Indalecio's Avatar
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Hellscream
As has been stated a few times in various threads, you need to un-hide the "gear" sheet in the file, copy the entire line of a piece of similar gear, paste it into a new cell in the middle of that gear section, and update the stats as needed.

ie: to add a new cloak, copy all of line 42, paste into a new cell just above line 42, and change stat values.

Just a thought since this question comes up a lot, could we add some directions like this to the FAQ?

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Old 09/04/09, 10:49 AM   #7685
jarbulldog
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Warrior
 
Alterac Mountains
I was wondering how to fix the errrors i am getting for the beserker enchant, card of greatness, and mirror of truth?

Also can you the etched ring of the kinn tor

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Old 09/04/09, 11:00 AM   #7686
stoneisman
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Cairne
You can get a pretty good idea of what dps you might expect using Rawr or one of the spreadsheets. At a glance you need to fix a couple of gems (go pure strength and a tear if you need it for the meta), check your enchants (shoulders and weapon at a minimum) and your glyphs are terrible (get Judgement, Consecration and SoV).

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Old 09/04/09, 11:12 AM   #7687
Fimka
Banned
 
Human Paladin
 
Grizzly Hills
Originally Posted by stoneisman View Post
You can get a pretty good idea of what dps you might expect using Rawr or one of the spreadsheets. At a glance you need to fix a couple of gems (go pure strength and a tear if you need it for the meta), check your enchants (shoulders and weapon at a minimum) and your glyphs are terrible (get Judgement, Consecration and SoV).

it looks like one of my glyphs didnt update, intead of Avengers shiled i have the judgement glyph. what should my dps be though, imo it should have been over 4k, i had might on (talented), kings and the DK buff. all together my AP was sitting at around 5.4k. I agree that i need to switch a few thing but that wont explain why my dps is so low

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Old 09/04/09, 12:54 PM   #7688
donmc
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Daggerspine
Originally Posted by _Accident_ View Post
it = the damage.

The theory was that for example: 20% crit 100crit dmg and 30% 110crit dmg. So the higher critical chance the higher the critical damage would be. I personally don't think its true, I think I just raise my chance to crit and not make the numbers bigger.
Ah, i think i simply misunderstood. Just like they said in a few posts above, higher crit doesn't mean higher crit damage just more occurance of a crit.

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Old 09/04/09, 12:55 PM   #7689
Slider_1128
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Feathermoon
Originally Posted by Jackinthegreen View Post
here's a link.
gives us a rough idea of just how useful Expertise can be.
Great link, enjoyed it as a read and gave me a new perspective on Expertise

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Old 09/04/09, 1:09 PM   #7690
drutran
 
Tauren Druid
 
Azshara
Hello,

In the catsim, wehre u choose what tier bonus u got does the simulator assume u have a pcs bonus if u activate a 4pcs bonus? or lets say if i activate 4t8 does it automatically activate the 2pcs t8 or i shoudl activate both?

Also, in the trinket declaration u just have to un-commment the trinkets u have and comment the ones u dotn right?

Im sorry but im kinda new to the simcraft and really interested in learning to use it.

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Old 09/04/09, 1:20 PM   #7691
Ekhunter
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Archimonde
Just trying to figure things out. I know spirit is not optimal, but I would hardly call it a dps decrease...I may be wrong and someone can flame it later...lol...But I do try to steer away from it whenever possible, problem is my guild's loot system is that I should be needing on ANY upgrade regardless of optimal stats.

But I digress from the question I was going to ask. I have found that on any fight where I have to single target mobs other than the boss, my dps is lower than on fights where I can burn the boss exclusively. An example is the first boss of Northrend beasts, if I stick on the boss full time, I'm pulling 5.5k or so, but when I got called out for not dpsing the snobolds, and switched to them whenever they came down, I lost about 1k dps switching between the two. I imagine this is more a gcd problem than anything with the recasting of DoT's, but is there anything I can do to prevent this? Still learning the ins and outs of high end face melting. My dps is solid, but not elite, and I need to bridge that gap...right now I've got 2534 spell dmg+Illustration and Eye of the Broodmother, 321 haste and 23.27% crit with IF and Spirit, which is where I think I should be with a shammy haste totem in play anyway, but I'm just not pulling the numbers I should be.

I've worked out a rotation where I can apply vt and DP consistantly one after the other without clipping anything or causing an extra gcd, but it seems in like I'm losing dps in places I can't pick up, especially on heavy movement fights where my dots are ticking but my MFs aren't available, or bosses with multiple adds that can't be downed with MS.

It seems that my dps drops dramatically when I'm not in the position to maintain my rotation. Even on Practice Dummy testing, I have found that there are small gaps in mindflay casting where my dps actually drops, sometimes as much as 1k, and the only time I have been able to stave this off is RNG in the form of multiple crits. But it seems that rng has me all over the place on dps...standard dummy fight without blowing mana cd's, I will pull 3800-4k in my current gear self-buffed. Do these numbers sound right, or should I be doing more?

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Old 09/04/09, 1:22 PM   #7692
epoh
Piston Honda
 
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Human Mage
 
Kargath
Originally Posted by medloh View Post
We also tried pulling the Snobolds into melee range, but after a holy priest got a kobold and took 15k from Icehowl aoe and risk of interrupt, we switched to ranged taking them down. We have just enough dps on most attempts to kill Icehowl right as the Worms become active without using lust.

We haven't managed to kill the worms yet-. My biggest problem atm is aggro at the start of the worm phase or after a submerge. Not sure if I just need to cool it a bit, or if its a problem with our tank's threat.
Your snobold comment makes no sense. Do you mean that the priest took damage from Gormok? Icehowl is the third phase of the beasts encounter. I don't know what he took a 15k hit from on that fight, the only thing he does on reg25 (that I can recall) is the stomp, and that does like 10k dmg.

At any rate, we just have whatever ranged is nearby dps down the snobolds. They don't do much dmg, the most annoying part is they lock down casters. If they get onto a healer all the ranged will quickly dps it down.

As for the worms you need to give your tanks a moment to get aggro after each submerge phase. I generally save my MI and Invis for Icehowl's stun phases.

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Old 09/04/09, 1:31 PM   #7693
dvdthorne
 
Draenei Paladin
 
Baelgun
talents Points assignments

I have seen good ideas on rotation, gear, geming, etc, but have not seen anything on what would be good placement for talent points. Any ideas!!! For ret pally, since 3.2 i have lost so much DPS its crazy.

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Old 09/04/09, 1:45 PM   #7694
Tobrexa
Von Kaiser
 
Human Paladin
 
Kel'Thuzad (EU)
Originally Posted by dvdthorne View Post
I have seen good ideas on rotation, gear, geming, etc, but have not seen anything on what would be good placement for talent points. Any ideas!!! For ret pally, since 3.2 i have lost so much DPS its crazy.
I recommend reading the OP: Link to the specific section.

Go tell the Spartans, passerby:
That here, by Spartan law, we lie.

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Old 09/04/09, 2:56 PM   #7695
Rostungur
 
Troll Mage
 
Magtheridon (EU)
Hot Streak

Instead of wasting 2 hours going through each and every post, I have a simple question.

I have 3 T8.5 and 1 T8.0

***This reply is about Hot Streak and it not consuming***

The encounter (boss fight) Starts. I do my LB and scorch at the beginning etc. Hot Streak suddenly pops! "What should I do!".


Lets say LB is 7 seconds left. Scorch 19 seconds and Hot Streak is 9 seconds.

***This timer is just when I finish casting my FFB***

Do I:

1. Cast Pyroblast when 1 second of LB is left?
2. Just cast it instantly on proc.
3. I cast it instantly it doesnt consume. Do I cast it instantly like nr.2 or just wait until LB gets down to 1 second. (LB should be about 2-4 seconds left.

Do you have any idea that is better? Please help!

Thank you.


PS: Mabye its just my internet but I see my Conqueror's Kirin Tor Tunic but not the set bonus. Its only 3 set but I do have 4 set bonus in game.

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Old 09/04/09, 2:59 PM   #7696
crazykujo
Banned
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Gurubashi
Hello I was just wondering if I got furious gloves an. Full gamed them out if they would be better then t 8.5 considering its only a 8 str difference I believe . And some exp . Justwondering because furiougloves increase my CS damage by %5

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Old 09/04/09, 4:06 PM   #7697
Dazimire
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Lothar
Mage Questions

I'm looking for a spec and rotation. I am having a problem with my Damage. I can't break 2,500 DPS and I'm in gear that is 232 +

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Old 09/04/09, 4:22 PM   #7698
Gaspej
 
Human Paladin
 
Blackrock
nice thread

Hey. Have been reading this thread for awhile. Figured I'd post my blog about making gold in all sorts of neat ways.

(link snipped)


Hope you take a look, thanks!

Last edited by Vykromond : 09/04/09 at 4:43 PM.

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Old 09/04/09, 5:59 PM   #7699
markv
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Ysera
I just downloaded this and one word.

AMAZING!

Awesome work, Landsoul!

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Old 09/04/09, 6:27 PM   #7700
crazykujo
Banned
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Gurubashi
Originally Posted by Zurm View Post
In terms of PVE stats, equipping the Tier 8.5 gloves over furious gives you:

8 Str
21 Crit
38 Expertise

In addition, if you need them for either the 2 or 4pc bonus, the gap is even larger. The 5% CS crit isn't as big as you think... the main reason CS is given so much weight in our priority is because it also procs seals.
well its just becuase eventually im gunna drop the pall4 set for the t9.5 2 set, when the bug is fixed ofcourse, and im also going to keep pally t8.5 2 set, so thats the gear situation i am in when iw as talking about equiping Furious gloves

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