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Old 05/27/09, 2:24 PM   #4666
• Jessamy
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Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by AlexS View Post
1.What meta gem should I get?
2. What do I gem for? ( i.e. what do I want to have my haste/int/crit at)
3. which glyphs?
4. LHW vs HW, so far I read that LWH is the better choice, but I just need it explained how it over powers using HW with [Glyph of Healing Wave] (I found it often times that I have to heal myself because of AoE damage from the boss), mproved healing wave, and healing way
The wiki doesn't go in depth to some of these questions, as it is a repository of well established knowledge, not ongoing discussion.

1. As you start building your healing set, [Insightful Earthsiege Diamond] will probably be best. Once your gear improves, [Ember Skyflare Diamond] might be better.
2. This is best answered by using the shaman_hep combatlog parser on data you collect in game. Until you have enough data of your own to analyze, refer to the wiki, the spreadsheet, or shaman_hep reports submitted by others.
3. What's best for you might vary. You can find my summary of resto glyphs here.
4. LHW & HW have different strengths. HW is greater healing output than LHW but it's slower and overheals more. Sometimes a slower heal isn't good enough and your target dies mid-cast, sometimes a bigger heal is just what's needed. It takes time to get a feel for when to use which spell.

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Old 05/27/09, 2:25 PM   #4667
Kyrite
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Destromath
Originally Posted by Syrellia View Post
I have recently had a chance to do some "proper raiding", and did Iron Council in hard mode with my new guild. Here is a picture of Recount SS. The recount was reset right when the 2nd boss die, so it's pretty much single target with all cooldowns blown to kill Steelbreaker asap (most important part of the fight). Too bad guild members don't keep WWS otherwise I would've been able to paste the parse here. The fight was relatively short however therefore cooldowns are of their best use (others blew their cooldowns too).



This shows that DW is very competitive. I have only t7 gears, a few pieces of Ulduar 10/25 and a pair of Malice + Remorse in my 0/13/58 build (my armory will be updated in a few days >.<) The others have mostly 25-man Ulduar gears because this guild has been farming Ulduar for a while now.

I will be using WWS myself next week and paste more parses here. I hope to get Sigil of Vengeful Heart soon so I can switch for 0/17/54 because with my current gearings, the dps in simming is significantly higher.

My DK's name is Meis btw (#8). Top dps DK is a tier 8 Frost DK.
wow that top DPSer must be the best DK on your server and your not to far behind from him, and he has like the best gear in game, he also ranked 2nd on your server in 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3, so he obvisouly knows what he is doing...

Glad to see the DW worked out for you, I may try it when I hit 80...
i am still 76

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Old 05/27/09, 2:46 PM   #4668
Servatus.DK
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Crushridge
Question

I'm a bit suprised by a message i got saying i've recieved an infraction. I think there's been a bit of a misunderstanding here so i'll clarify and you guys can tell me if i'm off base.

I asked if anyone had ideas on how to make up for the rune power lost during the T7 set bonus nurf. The standard Unholy 12/0/59 and 0/10/61 rotation prior to the nerf was pretty fluid but now it feels like it needs tweaking since there's not always enough RP to get in an extra DC before the rune refreshes. I've seen suggestions of using AMS to supplement but that really only helps if you're being hit since it costs rp to cast, right? Seemed like a legit question to me - this being the unholy dps thread and all.

In response to my infraction ... I'm not "begging" for help. I read the posts I missed after my 1 week vacation and didn't see the issue really addressed so i asked. In fact I only mentioned it incase i somehow missed a post that addressed it.

I read these forums often and appreciate them - so what gives?






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http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t53615-u...ml#post1245740


Ok - so i've been on vacation for a week and since the changes to 4pc t7.5 i'm wondering if i need to tweak my rotation now or not when i get back to wow. Also I'll have the 4pc T8 after next raid and will be switching then I think...

So my question... Is the runic regen still enough without the T7 bonus or does the old "Standard" 12/0/59 rotation still hold water?

I'm referring to IT, PS, BS, BS, SS then SS, SS, SS while dumping RP when the next strike would push you over cap. Also not refreshing IT, PS if the SS glyph procced.

Glyphs i have are... Ghoul, Scourge Strike, Dark Death

I read back a few pages incase this was asked already but didn't see anything.

All the best,
Elitist Jerks

Last edited by Servatus.DK : 05/27/09 at 2:50 PM. Reason: spelling

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Old 05/27/09, 3:07 PM   #4669
Kadorzun
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Deathwing (EU)
Here is screeny of the last Nexus HC boss. 0/13/58 spec. Also showing off my "Superior" =). I think that when played right, this spec has a LOT of potential, even at very low gear levels.


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Old 05/27/09, 3:15 PM   #4670
Kyruski
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Troll Death Knight
 
Lightning's Blade
Please stop posting pictures of DPS. There is a reason why I said "Do not post WWS/WMO/WoL Parses" and Recount SS falls under those. They only clutter up the thread more. If you want to submit some useful DPS Parses, upload to WWS, WoL, or WMO and PM me the parse and info in the format on the front of the page.

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Old 05/27/09, 3:16 PM   #4671
ReverendSin
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Smolderthorn
Let me guess, it was Kaubel or however you spell it. That guy seems to enjoy giving out infractions for stupid reasons. To answer your question though No, there isn't really a change in rotation. Just keep your diseases up, SS when you can, BS when you have to and Rune Dump when necessary. Don't always have to push out all of your runic power nor do you have to max it out before you use it. In fact its probably better if you don't go over the 130 you have as 0/10/61. Use your Blood Tap for Ghoul Frenzy and/or refreshing your Bone Armor. If you have an extra rune thats frost or death and those are already done then use it as Icy Touch IIRC to keep things running smoothly.

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Old 05/27/09, 3:44 PM   #4672
Morpheius
 
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Thunderhorn (EU)
Originally Posted by PsyWulf View Post
Can't really see the confusion,most postings indicate using ArP gems once the SEP value overtakes STR



Armory + ArP = nono. Hasn't worked in ages,check your char sheet ingame under Hit and add Stance/Macespec bonuses

In your case plugging your info and replacing the Blue 16ap/stam gem in the chest with a 8str/stam we get
STR1.0000 AGI 0.6935 Hit 0.0000 ArP 0.9616
So you're not quite there yet with passive ArP,GT proc however may overturn that




Sheet problems should be posted under Landsoul's topic,though I wonder if your issue isn't more obvious,a problem with Macros being disabled?

Ok thanks PhyWulf

As for now my apr is 150 = 12,18 %

Ive added the gem as you said...

So what else should I do ? How much do I need .. was it like 50% as i read somewhere and them Grim Troll would take care of the rest?

(Sorry for sounding like a real noob, but im seriously just trying to get a hang on this )

Yea my bad, I should have posted in the correct forum. All is enabled - Low security on macros - all is set as told in the manual on the 1st page. Name and server - and link to the armory is in place - but it dont get the info from my char.. Comes up with an error like.. eu=us in the end of the url??

The World of Warcraft Armory should be correct but it looks like

The World of Warcraft Armory (or something like it..)

Thanks for helping me btw.

Morpheius

Last edited by Morpheius : 05/27/09 at 3:49 PM.

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Old 05/27/09, 3:45 PM   #4673
bkoehler
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Shattered Halls
first of all i am an ele shaman.

i picked up 2 pc's of t8 in the last week. this makes me have enough for the 4pc set bonus but with all 4pc's my haste drops to 483.

i have other items i could use in its place:
*the t8 are not 8.5*

t8 helm vs helm of veiled energies (exchange haste for hit)

t8 gloves vs runshaper gloves

t8 pants vs leggings of the wanton spellcaster


with all the alternate choices of t8 equipped my haste is almost at 600, with in the same ballpark of amount of spellpower.

i havent seen an in-depth look at the set bonus and how much it will increase your DPS on average.


basically what i am asking is-

is the t8 4pc worth losing ~100 haste?
should i sub in my 226 items in for my 219 t8?

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Old 05/27/09, 3:51 PM   #4674
Negorath
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Orc Rogue
 
Jaedenar (EU)
Trying to find a way to incorporate Throwing Spez into my current build, 18/51/2, but I'm having problems deciding where to take 2 points from. Any suggestions?

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Old 05/27/09, 4:11 PM   #4675
bkoehler
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Shattered Halls
after reading around i found out the following:

dps readings via maxdps.com

HELM:
t8 helm - 172.53dps
veiled energies - 157.38
difference of 15.15 dps in favor of t8 helm

GLOVES:
t8 gloves - 108.28
runeshaper gloves - 114.37
difference of 6.09 in favor of runeshaper

PANTS:
t8 pants - 156.53
wanton spellcaster - 176.81
difference of 20.28 in favor of wanton spellcaster

now using the favorites (t8 helm, runeshaper, and wanton's -- my dps will be increased by 26.37.
so will be using the 4pc t8 give me more than 26.37 dps to offset this?

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Old 05/27/09, 5:37 PM   #4676
Kadorzun
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Originally Posted by Kyruski View Post
Please stop posting pictures of DPS. There is a reason why I said "Do not post WWS/WMO/WoL Parses" and Recount SS falls under those. They only clutter up the thread more. If you want to submit some useful DPS Parses, upload to WWS, WoL, or WMO and PM me the parse and info in the format on the front of the page.
Sorry, was merely showing that it isnt really gear dependant as claimed. I stop posting crap now, will follow thread with great interest

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Old 05/27/09, 6:15 PM   #4677
PsyWulf
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Terenas (EU)
Originally Posted by Morpheius View Post


The World of Warcraft Armory (or something like it..)

Thanks for helping me btw.

Morpheius
Try the armory link as armory.wow-europe.com

As for your ArP,vs Str debacle - you're still in the STR > ArP bracket

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Old 05/27/09, 6:36 PM   #4678
Physics
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Ner'zhul
Hi, trying to figure out which cycle is more effective.
4n/4n/4r or your mult 3 or 4pc Env/ Mult 3 or 4 cp Env / Mult 4 or 5 Cp RP.

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Old 05/27/09, 6:47 PM   #4679
Govor
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Sargeras
hi...
my crit is 30.47@17 expertise@3860 ap unbuffed

this is all with BOH as 17/51/3

I want to know which is better worldcarver or rune edge

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Old 05/27/09, 6:53 PM   #4680
Servatus.DK
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Crushridge
Thanks, I edited out his name so i don't offend an admin and get booted. Doesnt matter, just struck me as odd.

Thanks for the info Reverend - that's exactly what i've been doing. I just wanted to make sure someone in the thinktank hadn't figured out something superior to that rotation.

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