Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 317

pòu · 09/11/09, 8:44 AM

hai guise, i'm new to this forum but not @ dps'ing with rogue

i've always been using the mutilate spec but my dps cycle is without rupture. I think you should add that cycle to the spreadsheet, also becouse the arp nerf is gonna put combat pretty much at the same level of muti imo.

anyways, what are your ideas for the BiS for muti spec?
gratz, pòu

Roly · 09/11/09, 9:44 AM

At what gear (tier+weapon) should we change from blood dps to unholy?

Istarian · 09/11/09, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by pòu

hai guise, i'm new to this forum but not @ dps'ing with rogue

i've always been using the mutilate spec but my dps cycle is without rupture. I think you should add that cycle to the spreadsheet, also becouse the arp nerf is gonna put combat pretty much at the same level of muti imo.

anyways, what are your ideas for the BiS for muti spec?
gratz, pòu

wat

samot · 09/11/09, 12:06 PM

deleted (sry. for doublepost)

Masterdragon · 09/11/09, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by MizarAlcor

Hello fellow forum posters,

Since the advent of dual-spec system, I have been longing to try MM spec. However, it has been said many times that MM shouldn't be used until one of the Ar-pen trinkets is obtained and Ar-pen soft cap is reached. However, when plugging in my current specs into the newest spreadsheet (in which LnL proc is already set to 20%), MM spec (Agility-based, keeping Arcane Shot in rotation) is showing me almost 400 dps increase (raid-buffed) compared to my regular Surv spec.

However, when trying out the rotation in the dummy, I can't seem to surpass my Surv dps record. Please review my rotations below :
--Priority is : Initial Serpent >KS>CS>Arcane>Aimed>Steady .
--During Improved SS proc, I will wait as long as possible till either CS or Aimed is off CD, doing Steady shots in between while ignoring Arcane even though it is off-CD.
--When Readiness is off-CD, I will Rapid fire - Kill Command - CS - Aimed - wait till all KC charges are used - Readiness and repeat.

Is it that MM spec with Arcane only viable on paper but not on real situation?
Thank you.

Edit : changed "Arcane-less" to with-Arcane

From observences on my end, solo dummy dps was usually higher as my SV spec over my normal ArP MM spec. It mostly due to SV having a little less reliance on raid buffs then MM. Also to note, if the dummy is at <20% life, SV pulls farther ahead due to the quicker Kill Shots. Dummy DPS is good for comparing DPS between gear swaps but not for comparing Spec swaps because one spec is slightly better then another spec, unbuffed. My tests have been the same way even though I've always done more DPS as MM over my SV offspec.

griimjow · 09/11/09, 12:33 PM

umm question would'nt it be more important for a shamn to use the haste on the gloves (i dont know what its called im not and eng.) instead of the pyro rocket? ... i only ask because im rerolling a shamman and im picking up eng as my main profession

Ailuromass · 09/11/09, 1:23 PM

Baklava, congrats on the 2h tribute axe but would you mind me asking why your wearing the furious legs for your pve spec?

Kyss · 09/11/09, 1:58 PM

Sooo, that still leaves the answer.. what should your Hit be without any other considerations? What should your Haste, crit, SPI, SP be? What are we shooting for?

When I think of the word "unbuffed" I envision standing in the middle of Dalaran looking at my stats, not in a raid with "xx" or "yy" character.

Thanks

Errdran · 09/11/09, 1:58 PM

"Honor Among Thieves: A 1-second cooldown is now enforced on how often a rogue can gain combo points from his party via this talent."

So what this mean for us?

WinterWind · 09/11/09, 2:01 PM

-- Delete please, was an idiot and wrong thread. ---

Buggery · 09/11/09, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by dr_AllCOM3

The 6200 AP number is very old and has nothing to do with todays Arp calculations. You aim for maximum Arp, either with a proc or without one. Theoretically Arp is related to AP, but practically every Arp item has Str on it and you always have more than the neccessary amount of AP.
Plase stop mentioning that number

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Fixed.

Max ArPen. then socket for STR. Got it.

talenramel · 09/11/09, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by Errdran

"Honor Among Thieves: A 1-second cooldown is now enforced on how often a rogue can gain combo points from his party via this talent."

So what this mean for us?

If you'll read the last page or two, that's what most of the posts are concerning. I'm not sure any testing has been done to clarify what exactly the wording of the change means, or if there has then I haven't noticed anyone post on it. If, as can be assumed, it means 1cp/sec from HaT period (instead of 1cp/sec for each player in your group) then it will nerf this spec into insensibility. Which will make me sad, since I have been using it the past few weeks and rather enjoy it.

Scaron · 09/11/09, 2:45 PM

I stand corrected re: Draenei. Brain fart.

Although you can find this elsewhere, here's what you want your stats to look like if you're a horde warlock (and you plan on grouping with an Spriest or Boomkin):

Hit: 368 (or 442ish without Spriest or Boomkin).
SP: as high as possible
Haste: as high as possible (haste capping is possible in certain buffed situations (heroism/bloodlust/trinket proc/PI, etc.) but I honestly don't worry too much about it).
Crit: as high as possible
Spirit: as high as possible

Frankly, any stat that helps you even in the slightest should be as high as possible. The question is what do you give up on when you have the choice between two helpful stats...that is which stats are MOST helpful. For that you can check the Simcraft thread as stat weight varies slightly according to your spec.

scaffold · 09/11/09, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kyss

Sooo, that still leaves the answer.. what should your Hit be without any other considerations? What should your Haste, crit, SPI, SP be? What are we shooting for?

Hit should be capped at 17%.

As to other stats, there are no absolute values to shoot for. SP>Haste>Spi>Crit for destro is a good rule of thumb to follow while making gear choices, if you don't want to mess with simcraft to find the optimal setup for your character and gear.

Baklava09 · 09/11/09, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by Ailuromass

Baklava, congrats on the 2h tribute axe but would you mind me asking why your wearing the furious legs for your pve spec?

because im bad and the visual of them look exactly like legplates of ascension. Thanks for pointing that out for me.

I also got the Liadrin's legplates of triumph from 25m VoA but rawr shows them as a downgrade. Pity, b/c I look horrible right now with Legplates of ascension and footpads of silence.

Dannkk · 09/11/09, 3:16 PM

Can you guys help me out a bit? I used to play this game with a passion and keep up to date with the threads on here, but I've got a lot less time for it. My DPS has suffered a lot and I'm starting to catch some comments from guild members. Up until maybe 6 months ago, I had always been one of the highest dps'ers in the guild, so I really don't get what has changed.

Anyway, I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong. As far as I can tell from recount, I'm doing the same things another lock in the guild is doing, but he comes out 1700 dps ahead of me. I use the standard rotation. Immo-Conflag-CB-Incin-etc.

Here's my armory

The World of Warcraft Armory

edit: Only parse we have is from week one of Alliance Champions, and that's all that's in it. It's not worth much. I was messing with the training dummy for a bit today and logged one of those. I found part of my problem. I forgot about pre-casting.

Wow Web Stats Just me on the training dummy

I'm at 288 hit rating, which is 10.98%. +3% from suppression and +3% from a shadowpriest = .02% under cap, correct?

techlee · 09/11/09, 3:39 PM

Hrm. Did I miss a link, or is there no option for those of us that don't have Excel to use the spreadsheet?

kennyr35 · 09/11/09, 3:55 PM

I have looked for good information on this subject, but I have yet to find any solid info. My guild has been stuck on Mimiron hard mode for about 2 weeks now and the warlocks consistently do low dps. I am wondering what most people use on this particular fight.

Armory:The World of Warcraft Armory

Thanks

P.S. If this is the wrong place for this please let me know. I am a long time reader first time poster.

OniAngel · 09/11/09, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dannkk

Anyway, I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong. As far as I can tell from recount, I'm doing the same things another lock in the guild is doing, but he comes out 1700 dps ahead of me. I use the standard rotation. Immo-Conflag-CB-Incin-etc.

Here's my armory

The World of Warcraft Armory

I'll edit this in a bit if I can find a decent parse in WWS or something.

a parse would be lovely. so far a what im seeing is you need to change your meta to Chaotic Skyflare Diamond, your current meta is what affliction used 6months ago. your haste looks a bit low as well. hopefully some one can come up with a bit more insight into that.

chefjeff · 09/11/09, 4:13 PM

Originally Posted by techlee

Hrm. Did I miss a link, or is there no option for those of us that don't have Excel to use the spreadsheet?

There hasn't been a option for many months.It takes ALOT of work to do this spreadsheet,you can't expect him to do it in multiple formats.

mjball · 09/11/09, 4:50 PM

At the time of this post, your armory link has you way under hit cap. Is that your raiding set?

deeproots79 · 09/11/09, 5:39 PM

Is it still suggested to use cod instead of coe which if i read correct adds a good bit of damage to magic spells?

Towely · 09/11/09, 6:50 PM

Have anyone done any calculations on how mutilate will perform vs combat now with the new changes to envenom if u use a ruptureless cycle?

Benecio · 09/11/09, 7:01 PM

Originally Posted by Vandalize

Good that they fixed it, but to me it seemed a bit late.

Alot of people are passing me in dps wich is leaving me out due to other classes set bonus are working perfectly.

I have four piece t9 and am doing very good dps in TOCG.

So.. are SOC and our two piece set bonus are fixed in next patch, nice to know. Now the only question is wehn is 3.2.2, bad enough we have had to wait for a patch to fix something that shoud've been hotfixed weeks ago.

Maerae · 09/11/09, 8:02 PM

Originally Posted by Baklava09

Pity, b/c I look horrible right now with Legplates of ascension and footpads of silence.

^ Agreed!

It's kind of lame that we haven't had plate dps boots that match our tier since pre-BC (same goes for prot), and I guess we never will what with the further homogenization of gear come expansion.