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Old 10/14/08, 5:29 PM   #776
Kysimir
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Gnome Warrior
 
Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by Soloman View Post
This may be true for actual WotLK in WotLK gear, I'm not really sure as I'm not in the beta.

For 3.0 though there are many times in heroics and raids that I've been able to spend my rage much faster than I would like (ofc no threat issues but I just want boatloads of rage all the time )

Also for heroics I really like the stun from imp revenge, its handy and entertaining.

Same with Warbringer/imp charge, If you actively look for ways to make it useful (intervene a partymember instantly charge back to mob). You'd prolly end up like me and consider them practically mandatory. By that I mean it's one of those talents that once you get used to it, not having it around feels almost crippling (sure I could intercept like i used to, but i lose rage when i do that so why would i ever want to )

To each their own, I prefer imp revenge and imp charge. Some prefer imp SR, some can't live without cruelty..



On a side note:
Has anyone run dps numbers on imp tclap for an arms build?

Considering its an unlimited aoe dealing mediocre damage would it get a spot in an aoe pull rotation?
Excellent Question. I don't know

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Old 10/14/08, 5:30 PM   #777
Dalinoth
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Troll Hunter
 
Bloodscalp
Has anyone noticed tha the patch notes are reporting that steady shot's cast time has been upped to 2.0 from 1.5? Are the devs doing this to make haste a more viable stat for our gear post-70? How wiill this affect shot rotations now with just the patch in effect?

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Old 10/14/08, 5:38 PM   #778
ryo
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Human Rogue
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Your post would be a lot easier to read/more convincing if you didn't insist on typing like an AOL regular.

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Old 10/14/08, 5:51 PM   #779
dakalro
Don Flamenco
 
Human Warlock
 
Frostmane (EU)
The first warlock that casts a SE giving spell gets the buff. It's unique on the boss so the rest of the affli locks have to do without 10% dmg.

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Old 10/14/08, 5:54 PM   #780
Guntz
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Undead Rogue
 
Andorhal
What kind of pve rotation is best for a mut spec with the 3.0 patch?

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Old 10/14/08, 5:57 PM   #781
Lumb
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Orc Shaman
 
Sunstrider (EU)
Hi, can anyone confirm that a lot of the recent changes have not actually been implemented into the patch? For example, how much does the dual wield talent increase hit by at the moment, 3% or 6%?

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Old 10/14/08, 6:12 PM   #782
lilhoof
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Tauren Druid
 
Ursin
Ok thank you...I will hcange that up. BTW the servers are up now.

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Old 10/14/08, 6:30 PM   #783
Lumb
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Orc Shaman
 
Sunstrider (EU)
Sorry if i'm being a bit dense here, but all this talk about how much hit rating we will need to stack is confusing me (part of it might be from the official WoW forums).

You need 17% spellhit to cap, correct?

-6% from talents leaves 11% spellhit
134 hit rating is 8.5%, so that leaves 2.5% spellhit
3% spellhit comes from a Shadow priest or a Moonkin, so if i'm right that means I don't really need to be gemming, enchanting or food buffing for hit rating AT ALL, unless my EP for it is higher than AP or AGI, which it wont be.

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Old 10/14/08, 6:47 PM   #784
lilhoof
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Ursin
Originally Posted by constantius View Post
There's no point in taking IDS for 25-man raiding, so a spec like:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Thanks for that spec. I have passed it along to her and she seems thrilled. She is implementing it as we speak.

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Old 10/14/08, 7:11 PM   #785
RogueLeaderX
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by Mr00000 View Post
Its been mentioned numerous times throughout this topic that pets are now getting their master's hit rating. Now, most of us will be putting those points into an improved talent that used to be a noob-check (Spirit Bond).
Has anyone tested to see if hunter pets are getting hit from Focused Aim? Based on the wording (increases your chance to hit) I'd say no, but Blizzard's wording isn't always 100% accurate.

If that's the case wouldn't 1/2 Animal Handler be worthwhile to offset hit gained from Focused Aim?

Granted that's a specialized situation (a hunter needs a talent to gain hit cap and wants his pet to be at or near hit cap as well.)

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Old 10/14/08, 7:17 PM   #786
RogueLeaderX
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Twisting Nether
My apologies, redundant question, please delete.

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Old 10/14/08, 7:20 PM   #787
Undernet01
Banned
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Gilneas
So what should I put my points into? I'm not sure where to put to points for maximum DPS.. Everything is so... Different...

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Old 10/14/08, 9:18 PM   #788
Lord Xar
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Elbrin
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Non-US/EU Server
I do admit, I haven't downloaded the latest spreadsheet, but there was alot of talk a few pages ago in regards to close quarter combat (fist/dagger) potentially being greater than sword spec. Has that born itself out and does combat fists still still sit behind combat swords by a 1% ??

Just curious are people experience with any fist hybrid or pure fist as it competes with sword spec, in regard to combat specs.

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Old 10/14/08, 10:28 PM   #789
Anobix
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Undead Mage
 
Stormscale
Originally Posted by Docjowles View Post
My plan is to initially run molten armor, with glyph of mana gem and improved scorch. If it turns out that I don't have the mana, I'll switch from mana gem to glyphed mage armor. With increased DPS and a flat 30% raid mob HP nerf, I can't imagine having major mana problems, hence my preference for molten armor to start.

I think this is a factor that is going to vary significantly from raid to raid, and I'd recommend just trying it for yourself.
I'm thinking the same thing.

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Old 10/14/08, 11:01 PM   #790
QXX
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Zul'Jin
IMHO

I complete agree we should have an expose armor buff worth while.I have also thought about the idea of a group agro drop kinda of like a GROUP vanish so that all dps in the group can zero out there agro.

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Old 10/15/08, 3:04 AM   #791
spanko
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Korgath
Armor Pen is a really terrible stat now, not only because of us doing more spell damage, but its applied after all raid debuffs that reduce armor as a percentage as well.

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Old 10/15/08, 5:32 AM   #792
nemowish
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Dwarf Paladin
 
Sylvanas (EU)
After updating my game with the last patch. final patch notes says

- Improved Poisons (Assassination) now increases chance to apply
poisons by 5/10/15/20/25%.


4 hours till servers come back online, i'll report back.

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Old 10/15/08, 7:03 AM   #793
Kyuki
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Gnome Mage
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Forget about the current patchnotes...

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Old 10/15/08, 9:41 AM   #794
Grimmli
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Das Syndikat (EU)
Originally Posted by landsoul View Post
If you read the directions you would not have gotten the bug. You must force another set of iterations after your final choice then you would have gotten accurate numbers. Open Office is limited to 1000 per change.
that's exactly what I did and I still get the bug but thanks for reporting me

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Old 10/15/08, 10:35 AM   #795
raabnox
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Bonechewer
Based on what I have read, this is what I'm planning for my 3.02 build.
The two glyphs I've picked up are the improved Windfury and Improved Lightning Bolt.

I'm wondering in terms of utiility wheither I should go with concussion or convection for the addional cost reduction of LB?


Elemental (8 points)

5/5 Concussion
3/3 Elemental Devastation

Enhancement (53 points)

3/3 Enhancing Totems
4/5 Ancestral Knowledge
5/5 Thundering Strikes
3/3 Elemental Weapons
1/1 Shamanistic Focus
5/5 Flurry
2/2 Improved Windfury Totem
1/1 Spirit Weapons
3/3 Mental Dexterity
5/5 Unleashed Rage
3/3 Weapon Mastery
3/3 Dual Wield Specialization
1/1 Dual Wield
1/1 Stormstrike
3/3 Mental Quickness
1/1 Lava Lash
2/2 Improved Stormstrike
1/1 Shamanistic Rage
5/5 Maelstrom Weapon
1/1 Feral Spirit

Restoration (0 points)

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Old 10/15/08, 10:36 AM   #796
Rurik
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Human Warrior
 
Arathor (EU)
Removed: Many others answered the same question.

Last edited by Rurik : 10/15/08 at 10:43 AM.

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Old 10/15/08, 10:44 AM   #797
Talunaar
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Forscherliga (EU)
Removed: Many others answered the same question.

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Old 10/15/08, 1:47 PM   #798
essex23
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Draenei Shaman
 
Gilneas
Hey guys....sorry to even ask this in here, but I have been going through all 50+ pages here looking for the link to the WotLK elemental build after the disaster that is now known as Patch 3.0......but for some reason I can't find it anymore and I used to have it bookmarked.

I know everyone is saying we all got screwed....and I agree, but I have faith the dev's will see just how bad they nearly killed elemental shaman and make corrective actions soon.

But in the meantime, can someone link me or PM me the best elemental build for PvE/Raiding? I would greatly appreciate it.



And to all of you doing the math on our class....keep up the awesome work. Lord knows I couldn't help...all that math makes me go crosseyed. >.<

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Old 10/15/08, 2:02 PM   #799
zuyx
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Zuluhed
Originally Posted by essex23 View Post
Hey guys....sorry to even ask this in here, but I have been going through all 50+ pages here looking for the link to the WotLK elemental build after the disaster that is now known as Patch 3.0......but for some reason I can't find it anymore and I used to have it bookmarked.

I know everyone is saying we all got screwed....and I agree, but I have faith the dev's will see just how bad they nearly killed elemental shaman and make corrective actions soon.

But in the meantime, can someone link me or PM me the best elemental build for PvE/Raiding? I would greatly appreciate it.



And to all of you doing the math on our class....keep up the awesome work. Lord knows I couldn't help...all that math makes me go crosseyed. >.<
Same ive been looking around the thread for a decent build for the time being.
If anyone has one can you please link it via pm or in the thread

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Old 10/15/08, 4:06 PM   #800
essex23
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Gilneas
GAH!!! 132 pages, tons of math I have no clue what it means.....instant migraine! lol


I just wanna know what the best leveling build is for 70-80, and the best tanking build at 80 is. My warrior is full prot right now and I am not sure if staying prot is viable for gettign to 80. Can anyone PM with with some info?

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