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Old 06/01/09, 7:23 PM   #4816
Isane
 
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Human Paladin
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
I personally haven't got a real problem with raid healing on 10 man ulduar, though we pallies are far more effective at tank healing :/

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Old 06/01/09, 10:33 PM   #4817
Tenji
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Scilla
Anyone got any answers to my question?

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Old 06/01/09, 10:58 PM   #4818
heilstrom
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Human Priest
 
Deathwing
This moderator is a douche

Dear heilstrom,

You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.

Reason: 7. Do not beg for hand-holding.
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This is not a good forum to post poorly-capitalized crap, especially when it's essentially, "Guys I'm too lazy and/or stupid to do my own research, how do I melt face?" To top off this terrible post you linked your armory not once but twice and signed your post - neither of those is necessary. If we actually care who you are, we can see to the left of your post.
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Dear Bartolimu ,

I am dissapointed with your moderation. Asking for help analyzing a rotation is not "begging for hand holding". If your going to correct my english I would expect you to do it using correct grammar. Please less QQ about capitalization and more help on forums. Not all of us spend 24 hours a day on forums learning how to post correctly, thus I would expect someone as leet as yourself to correct individuals with real lives in a courteous manner. Not all of us are english majors and we dont give a crap about capitalization punctuation ect... we would just like some help improving gaming skills, I didn't post for an english lesson. Remember Bartolimu we all look up and aspire to have an e-penis as big as yours one day.

Be back on a different e-mail
Love you

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Old 06/01/09, 11:40 PM   #4819
Kaubel
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Tauren Druid
 
Mal'Ganis
Originally Posted by heilstrom View Post
Dear heilstrom,

You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.

Reason: 7. Do not beg for hand-holding.
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This is not a good forum to post poorly-capitalized crap, especially when it's essentially, "Guys I'm too lazy and/or stupid to do my own research, how do I melt face?" To top off this terrible post you linked your armory not once but twice and signed your post - neither of those is necessary. If we actually care who you are, we can see to the left of your post.
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Dear Bartolimu ,

I am dissapointed with your moderation. Asking for help analyzing a rotation is not "begging for hand holding". If your going to correct my english I would expect you to do it using correct grammar. Please less QQ about capitalization and more help on forums. Not all of us spend 24 hours a day on forums learning how to post correctly, thus I would expect someone as leet as yourself to correct individuals with real lives in a courteous manner. Not all of us are english majors and we dont give a crap about capitalization punctuation ect... we would just like some help improving gaming skills, I didn't post for an english lesson. Remember Bartolimu we all look up and aspire to have an e-penis as big as yours one day.

Be back on a different e-mail
Love you
I'll go ahead and let him take care of this. Sorry to see you go, shitstick.

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Old 06/01/09, 11:58 PM   #4820
Olee
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Tichondrius
Sorry for the nub post but I'm wondering if anyone has put together a BiS list for the ITx6 spec. Once i get the new sigil hopefully tomorrow I am going to use this spec and start off using my old non set bonus 32/39 set since i had my spell hit capped but as ulduar gear is concerned I have not seen any lists for BiS. Once again sorry for a post with no information but I am sure a lot of people are also looking for a list for BiS machine gun spec and if anyone has it it would be MUCH appreciated.

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Old 06/02/09, 2:01 AM   #4821
morrigann728
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof
So i just want to clarify becuz of the retards flames i received in PM as well as the infraction BS i received when i asked if using dual 2% spell reduction would help with certain things.
1st some dk's use stoneskin gargoyle on a 2hander so that they can stack more stam thru JC trinket or essence of gossamer or even both. that was the sole reason i asked what i asked about the dual wield enchant. with the proper 1hand weapons you will negate the loss of the defense skill gained from SSG and if you macroed it to do a quick switch when you saw certain things incoming like fusion punch would it make a dent?

sorry for the "rage" if thats what you want to call it but apparently there are people who still dont fully understand this class and feel the need to flame.

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Old 06/02/09, 2:10 AM   #4822
Richie Daggers Crime
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Terenas
Thanks, Taizu. Such a simple and effective solution. I feel like a doorknob!

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Old 06/02/09, 8:08 AM   #4823
lajin1
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Wildhammer (EU)
Fs or Ob?

Well Im frost DPS specced 13/51/7 and what i cant understand is the dmg of Frost Strike, is it also reduced by armor just like OB which is phy attack, because i tried to compare both of them OB and FS

With Talents from frost tree FS get bonus 45% dmg (im not counting Tundra Stalker because OB also gets buffed by it)
FS is 60% strike so when we sum up we get 105%.

Glyphed OB gives us 100% dmg and +5% from T8(4) bonus + 2x12.5% from diseases (running double disease rotation).

Now to compare 2 sigils [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart] and [Sigil of Awareness] the bonus damage to both of abilities is about the same.

In 6xIT rotation we are able to do ~7FS if im correct and full rotation takes about 17-18s

Im running double disease rotation IT-PS-OB-BS-BS (dump- its 2xFS) OB-OB-FS-OB-FS its done in blood presence and it takes about 17s.

What is not clear for me is the DMG that FS can do [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart]
and also if its modified diffrent than OB

Also is the 8FS spam doing more DMG than 4OB+4FS? i'd like to know what dmg in % does sigil add to FS
cuz what i was thinking is 4xOB+4xFS *1.15 is (4x130% + 4x 105%)*1.15 = 1081%
and 8xFS = 8x105%(+the unknown bonus from sigil) = 840%

My question is: Isnt heavy OB rotation better with T8 Sets? OB has really high crit chance (~65-70%)
and its kinda more player friendly, what i mean is in unholy presence KM procs faster and in many ulduar encounters players are not able to focus on KM procs and also try to stay alive.

Here i present my DPS done at dummy in ebon hold with OB rotation:



and FS stats


As you can see im really high on crit with FS because the only 1 skill that may eat my KM proc is the IT which is used to apply Frost fever.

I ask about all that things because im in 10man riding guuild so im kinda not able to get [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart] dunno, maybe i try to defend myself, and here is my armory link http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...r&n=Kanamechan
im currently specced pvp unholy so dont look at spec :P
THX for all replyes and sorry for my english.

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Old 06/02/09, 9:33 AM   #4824
Teyrocar
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Bloodhoof
Did you miss the "Please read the OP" note?

And I'm pretty sure that Sigil of the Vengeful heart is superior to Awareness for Frost.

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Old 06/02/09, 10:38 AM   #4825
Errosa
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Sentinels
Combat rouge

Whats the best rotation for a combat rouge in 80 raids

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Old 06/02/09, 10:54 AM   #4826
evoslayer
Von Kaiser
 
Orc Rogue
 
Azjol-Nerub
http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-p...updated_3_1_a/

Read the pocket guide, pretty much contains everything you need to know unless you are entering very high end raiding, and even then its very useful.

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Old 06/02/09, 10:56 AM   #4827
thehondontom
Glass Joe
 
jagger
Human Warrior
 
Quel'Thalas
Hi, I have tried the spreadsheet, I have filled in all my armour etc, am I forgetting something, and the truth is I don't totally understand it!!! Yes, noooob, ok, lol

Where does it tell me what I need to do, or change or know??
Thanks

And just 1 quick question, is there any difference with the +32 ap gem and + 16 strength gem

Last edited by thehondontom : 06/02/09 at 11:08 AM.

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Old 06/02/09, 11:21 AM   #4828
fasteddie1722
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Nordrassil
max dps

how do i get the max dps from my fury warrior....... what talents besides whirlwind should i be using and in what order

Last edited by fasteddie1722 : 06/02/09 at 11:30 AM.

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Old 06/02/09, 11:39 AM   #4829
Lilixer
Glass Joe
 
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Gnome Death Knight
 
Elune
Frost Strike is not reduced by armour values, as it is considered a spell (Frost Damage, not Physical, much like Scourge Strike if I'm correct)

And I didn't even know there was a valid arguement between Sigil of the Vengeful Heart and Awareness.

Frost Strike (even looking at your screenshots) was still the highest % of damage on meter, even though you are using Awareness (I'm assuming here) Why would you not use a sigil that would boost your highest % damage even more?

Correct me if I am wrong please.

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Old 06/02/09, 12:12 PM   #4830
lajin1
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Wildhammer (EU)
Yes guess you are right, frost strike is a strong skill, i didnt really know that its counted as spell, and well if it is than its doing frost spell dmg. And now, can i check somehwere what bosses have frost resistance, if there are any that do, because if its ignoring armor, i wonder how much would hit oblit for if you get around 25% armor penetration(which is almost on every ulduar item) or [Grim Toll].

Anyway i thougth that i can do comperable dps as 6xIT with other frost build, and as i see there is kinda no point of being frost dps without [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart]

I watched Erekose IT6 movie, and i see his FS hitting form almost 10k in UP, and mine rarley hit for 8,5 in BP.

Ehh, guess its simple, get [Sigil of the Vengeful Heart] or change spec...

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