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Old 06/03/09, 6:18 AM   #4861
zhee
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Neptulon (EU)
Hey there, i wanted to ask some questions about how to adjust my build for beter dps...
So this is my base build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
As you see i still have 2 points untalented. I can't decide wether to put them into Improbed aspect of the Hawk or Hunting party. I asume both of those bonuses might be similar, but maybe someoone could advise me about where should i spend them.

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Old 06/03/09, 6:24 AM   #4862
Azlannagh
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Personally I would go with Noxious Stings aswell. Also your crit is high enough to support 2/3 EW, if you want to free up another point.

But to answer your question, your agility isn't really high so I think an extra point in IAotH will improve your DPS more.

Last edited by Azlannagh : 06/03/09 at 6:34 AM.

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Old 06/03/09, 6:31 AM   #4863
zhee
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Neptulon (EU)
Yeah, i was also thinking about puting something in noxios stings.
How about this build: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Anyway. i'm open to all the coments about my build.

Last edited by zhee : 06/03/09 at 7:43 AM.

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Old 06/03/09, 7:34 AM   #4864
Fauh
Von Kaiser
 
Pandaren Monk
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Since Blizzard have said that they are unhappy about the current state of dual-wield for DK's I think we might see the frost-tree being revamped into a dual-wield tree once again.

There have been speculations of FS and possibly even OB being changed to a Stormstrike-like mechanic (Hitting with both weapons). Sure it would make Frost 2-hand less attractive than Frost-DW for PvE yet still viable. Nevertheless whatever Blizzard has in mind for DW will be intresting because at the moment it's very pathetic. Remaking the frost tree into more of a DW tree would make sense since Frost is already broken.

Well thats just my two cents.

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Old 06/03/09, 7:35 AM   #4865
Twinky
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Cenarius
Speaking of strange things, anyone else noticed the reference to Terminator at the beginning of UP, in the form of a robot arm.


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Old 06/03/09, 7:46 AM   #4866
Cuthalion
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Alonsus (EU)
I recently switched from unholy to blood dps and i love it.
I managed to get myself hit/exp capped and have 4k AP.

Since yesterday i have a new weapon Ironsoul. Now i was wondering if that weapon is better than my Betrayer of humanity for blood dps.

I would think that the str and Arp from Ironsoul scale better for me, but im not 100% sure.

I have been looking for answers across multiple forums, but no where i could find a real answer

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Old 06/03/09, 8:08 AM   #4867
Moonwalker
 
Undead Death Knight
 
Eonar (EU)
Guys,
I have some questions about frost tanking. First, Im little in doubt about Runestrike (in according with 4th T8 set bonus). Is RS>FS for frost tanks (threat point of view)? If yes, should I use Glyph of Runestrike? If yes, which glyph I would have change.. Obliterate, FS, HB? I using HB rotation just now..
Thx.

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Old 06/03/09, 8:12 AM   #4868
bdaswat
 
Orc Rogue
 
Lightning's Blade
2 piece t7.5 / t8.5 or 4 piece t7.5

2 piece t7.5 / t8.5 or 4 piece t7.5

Okay, I am a long time reader of Elitist Jerks, and I can’t seem to find the answer to my question anywhere. I read some where that the 2 piece t7.5 has some EP value around like ~75 or so and the 2 piece t8.5 has an EP value of like ~85. I just got my 2nd piece of Tier 8.5 and want to know if it makes more sense doing ( 2p 7.5 / 2p 8.5 ) or if I should just keep my full t7.5 4 piece bonus until I get my 4 peice t8.5 to replace it... (b/c the 4 piece t7.5 bonus was listed as having like a EP value of ~380 or something?) It seems like even with the extra EP value you get from the upgraded gear, still doesn’t offset the (2piece+2piece ) instead of the full 4piece t7.5…

Thanks!

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Old 06/03/09, 8:13 AM   #4869
Valtiel
Don Flamenco
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Darksorrow (EU)
Originally Posted by Fauh View Post
Since Blizzard have said that they are unhappy about the current state of dual-wield for DK's I think we might see the frost-tree being revamped into a dual-wield tree once again.

There have been speculations of FS and possibly even OB being changed to a Stormstrike-like mechanic (Hitting with both weapons). Sure it would make Frost 2-hand less attractive than Frost-DW for PvE yet still viable. Nevertheless whatever Blizzard has in mind for DW will be intresting because at the moment it's very pathetic. Remaking the frost tree into more of a DW tree would make sense since Frost is already broken.

Well thats just my two cents.
The core problem with that is that Frost is the LEAST attractive tree for DW'ing.

Frost has no direct buff to white damage (which is the biggest source of damage for DW builds), while both UH and Blood do, to extremely efficient levels. Talents like Dark Vengeance, Blood Caked Blades, Necrosis buff white damage much more than anything Frost could do. All the interesting talents for DW in Frost are low enough to be accessible by any other tree.

Even more importantly, DW builds having inherently lower strike damage would want to get as much as possible out of non-weapon related sources, like pets - UH shined as the DW build because of this.

Last but not least, Frost is the suboptimal Dw specc because of Frost Strike. Frost is the specc that most relies on weapon damage - turning it into the DW specc efficiently would require a complete overhaul of the trees. Making Scourge Strike hit with both weapons would be a much more welcome fix, as you could see deep UH DW builds with Black Ice and all the DW frost talents.

12 weeks without a Sigil of the Vengeful Heart drop and counting.

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Old 06/03/09, 8:16 AM   #4870
Tholofonos
Von Kaiser
 
Tholofonos's Avatar
 
Worgen Rogue
 
Doomhammer
The rule of thumb I've seen floating around is to keep t7.5 until you have three pieces of t8.5.

For more precision, check the spreadsheet.

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Old 06/03/09, 8:52 AM   #4871
bdaswat
 
Orc Rogue
 
Lightning's Blade
Originally Posted by Tholofonos View Post
The rule of thumb I've seen floating around is to keep t7.5 until you have three pieces of t8.5.

For more precision, check the spreadsheet.
Oh, why's that?

It might be helpful to list my armory to make a better decision on this, so here it is... Hope this helps.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Last edited by bdaswat : 06/03/09 at 9:00 AM.

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Old 06/03/09, 8:58 AM   #4872
Fauh
Von Kaiser
 
Pandaren Monk
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
Valtiel everything you said is true. However it does not take away the fact that Frost is currently the worst tree and the only thing that makes it viable is really an OP Glyph. Sadly Frost is broken and it will probably be fixed in 3.2 and remade into a DW-tree.

I agree that it would make more sense to make Unholy or Blood the "DW-tree" due to the nature of these trees but the thing is that they way they are now they are preforming very well in Ulduar and thus remaking them is not "nessecary".

If you see it from a Blizzard point-of-view it would make more sense to make Frost-DW viable. You don't take something working, break it and rebuild it when you have something broken and begging to be re-built. But that said it's all just speculation. We never know what they have in mind. It could really be that they're buffing Nerves of Cold Steel insanely much to make DW-viable, though I hope it's something more intresting.

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Old 06/03/09, 9:19 AM   #4873
Grimolkin
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Boulderfist
Has Anyone done any testing on Hunter's mark since they raised the amount to 500? I am considering this spec

Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated

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Old 06/03/09, 9:42 AM   #4874
livercat
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Азурегос (EU)
@Grimolkin
1) First of all, SrS glyph is absolute must-have for any MM hunter (for precise calculations look earlier in the thread).
HM glyph is questionable. It's starting to be decent only with 3+ hunters in raid, otherwise you better stick with KS or CS glyph. Also SS glyph in Ulduar don't have much potential since on almost every fight you have to move a lot.
2) To get Aspect mastery you have to waste 3 point on Endurance, which is worthless. I'd rather put those points into Wild Quiver (at least 3-4% additional dmg) and 1 GftT (to reduce pet's focus-starving).
I personally don't like ISS - the benefit just seems too small for 3 points, especially after 3.1.3's mana cost reduction of all shots.
Also, if you run any 10-mans, then Rapid Recuperation + Rapid Killing will give you huge mana recovery tool.
And yes, IHM is now quite useful.

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Old 06/03/09, 9:48 AM   #4875
Slappywag
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Blackrock
Obviously the spreadsheet isn't 100% accurate, and it doesn't account for human error etc, but I just thought it was worth mentioning for anyone thinking about trying MM with the new patch -- I went from 6k DPS to 6.5k DPS on Ignis this week (from survival to MM). I also got put in the pot an extra time this week.

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