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Old 09/24/09, 11:33 AM   #8401
Deadforlife
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Night Elf Druid
 
Drenden
My experience

Greetings all,

In my personal experience gemming for agility has worked very well for me. In my Feral Tanking Spec I usually average well over 2k Dps while maintaining an incredible amount of threat generation. It takes a well geared lock or mage trying their hardest to pull aggro from me on a single target boss. Basically that never happens. I haven't ever considered stamina gems for the fact that my dodge rating is 38.22% with only Gift of The Wild and my Armor is 28,691. These stats increase significantly with raid buffs and can get my dodge to nearly 50% and Armor to 34,000. Please "bear" in mind (slight pun intented) that this is only my personal experience and never to be substituted for all the hard work and numbers crunching that the pro's do here. With that in mind, if anyone at all could point me to a link regarding stat priority that would be great. Thank you all and remember: You pay to play so enjoy it anyway. Deadforlife 80 Dual Spec, Feral Tank/Feral Dps: Drenden Server

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Old 09/24/09, 12:03 PM   #8402
MKlades
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Ravenholdt
Originally Posted by Gorbard View Post
I have a hard time decide which secound trinket i use right now. First is DC Greatness and the secound to choose off is: Pyrite Infuser, Mjoelner Runestrone, Wrathstone, Grimtoll, Fury of five flights. Since melee is the highest source of damage mjoellner would be the trinket to pick?
The gear optimizer is your friend

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Old 09/24/09, 12:43 PM   #8403
lynx0880
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Human Priest
 
Thunderlord
working heroic toc now yay

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Old 09/24/09, 1:18 PM   #8404
Kuhsay
Banned
 
Troll Shaman
 
Lethon
non haste build

Vespasian i looked over your parse for your lord jraxxus kill and your gear setup.

I am still unsure about the haste build. Here is a parse from one of our jraxxus kills

WoW Meter Online - Combatlog Replay

this isn't a heroic kill but im not sure how much that would make a difference, switching to the portals probably brings your dps down a bit, but nothing to significant i wouldn't think.

my point is you out gear me, and im gemmed ap. The parses seem to go against your findings.

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Old 09/24/09, 1:46 PM   #8405
ki11switch
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Orc Warrior
 
Bloodhoof
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Last edited by ki11switch : 09/25/09 at 3:34 PM.

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Old 09/24/09, 1:55 PM   #8406
sbernett
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by Aker View Post
Push the button marked conveniently "Regem"
I tried that...the samething still happens

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Old 09/24/09, 2:05 PM   #8407
sbernett
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by sbernett View Post
I tried that...the samething still happens
ok, i figured it out. sorry for being dumb :/

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Old 09/24/09, 2:07 PM   #8408
Nich
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Night Elf Druid
 
Dreadmaul
As someone who has yet to see a Runestone drop, I am in favour of seeing more testing done without it (or grim toll), when it comes to balancing arp and agi.

I'd like to offer moral support, but I have questionable morals

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Old 09/24/09, 2:28 PM   #8409
Jacktherippa
 
Human Warrior
 
Dragonblight (EU)
Hey all

Been reading through the posts and i may have missed it but do i still gem for Arp now it has been nerfed in 3.2.2 ?

My stats : Hit 311 , Crit 32.75 , exp 15 , Ap 4007

My arp is 606, with 10% for BS and 6% for two T9 items that gives me 59,3%. I dont have trinkets that proc arp. Should i carry on gemming arp till 100% cap or should i gem str?

Thankyou

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Old 09/24/09, 2:31 PM   #8410
Hakana4155
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Stormscale
Thanks for the update.

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Old 09/24/09, 2:35 PM   #8411
Funestus
 
Gnome Mage
 
Stormrage
Effective Use Of MBarr

Thank you to all who make this the most informative location to research classes.

My question is relatively simple. When is the best time to take advantage of a MBarr proc?

I've been running a consistent rotation of: ABlastx4AMiss, even if MBarr procs after my first ABlast cast or procs from my prior AMiss, in other words, I ignore MBarr until I get ABlastx4 up on the mob.

Is there a more efficient/effective way to go? Or... should I Amiss immediately any time MBarr is active, regardless of ABlast stacks?

Also, I've found it possible to continue ABlast spamming until MBarr procs, so long as you're efficient using MGs, MPs, and evo. Is this the max dps output option, ABlast spam continuously until MBarr (though less mana efficient)? Or is it better to use another spell after ABlast spam x4 or x5 if MBarr does not proc?

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Old 09/24/09, 2:50 PM   #8412
Lyska
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Draenei Shaman
 
Frostwolf
Seriously please read the other posts. I just explained it. Your fight length was 247 seconds vs his 395 seconds... that's an incredibly huge and significant difference. You have 16% uptime on bloodlust vs his 9.6%. That's like saying I can gem for spirit and post an XT normal fight against his XT hard fight and say that spirit>all. No, just no.

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Old 09/24/09, 2:52 PM   #8413
Leg
Banned
 
Human Death Knight
 
Arathor
I don’t agree! It is far better dump RP with SS. Reasons:
- SS have more critical and a critical bonus.
- 2 runes with one strike + Dirge .
So I am doing between 51-56% of critical with SS, 30s of RGCD with GoSS and using 2 Epidemic, 3 Reaping, 0 Necrosis (16/0/55) and BP.
3 points in reaping gives at least more 2 SS per 30s so is better than Necrosis.

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Old 09/24/09, 2:56 PM   #8414
diodon
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Undead Mage
 
Saurfang
Originally Posted by Gorbard View Post
I have a hard time decide which secound trinket i use right now. First is DC Greatness and the secound to choose off is: Pyrite Infuser, Mjoelner Runestrone, Wrathstone, Grimtoll, Fury of five flights. Since melee is the highest source of damage mjoellner would be the trinket to pick?
If it can be trust to Rawr, then Darkmoon Death is the easiest option to get. The AH is your friend. But you can also get Bandit's Insignia from Sapphiron/Naxx.

Install Rawr, then you do not have to guess anymore, and you see most of the options available for every slot of your toon.

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Old 09/24/09, 3:08 PM   #8415
diodon
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Undead Mage
 
Saurfang
@Leg:

I have difficulties to following your arguments. I thought SS is used to build up RP, and not to dump it. You must must have mixed up something.

Do you have any hard number or simulations, that confirm your assumption about more SS lead to more crit hit and that leads to higher DpS?

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Old 09/24/09, 3:17 PM   #8416
crazy dodo
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Draenei Death Knight
 
Khaz Modan
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Originally Posted by Mike Booth (TF2)
We have you surrounded, at least from this side.

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Old 09/24/09, 3:45 PM   #8417
Phrequency-
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Magtheridon
Is the combat spreadsheet updated for the ArP nerf?

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Old 09/24/09, 4:01 PM   #8418
Bobbled
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Gnome Mage
 
Stormreaver
Originally Posted by Funestus View Post
My question is relatively simple. When is the best time to take advantage of a MBarr proc?
The short(not simple) answer is that Kavan already answered this earlier here.

Optimal use of Mbarr procs depend on mana reserves, fight mechanics that increase/decrease DPS for X amount of time, fight mechanics that might prevent chain casting, etc.

Last edited by Bobbled : 09/24/09 at 4:09 PM.

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Old 09/24/09, 4:09 PM   #8419
Jothay
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Human Warrior
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Jacktherippa View Post
Been reading through the posts and i may have missed it but do i still gem for Arp now it has been nerfed in 3.2.2 ?
The concept of stacking ArP is still there, it's just a Higher tipping point in gear before you do it. Use the spreadsheets, they can show you if you have the power to do it, and at 2/T9, you most likely do.

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Old 09/24/09, 4:16 PM   #8420
Ennarian
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Dragonblight
Has anyone done any testing to see if Incanter's Absorption is worth having? I have a feeling it's only good for gimmick fights or if you have a disc priest constantly throwing shields on you. I guess on twins it should almost always be up because you are absorbing the damage from whatever color you are.

I personally won't take it because you have to actually be hit and last i checked standing in the fire is bad. To me, it seems like something fun to have but it's not good in enough fights to make it worth while.

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Old 09/24/09, 4:36 PM   #8421
Maaras
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Cenarius
Originally Posted by Phrequency- View Post
Is the combat spreadsheet updated for the ArP nerf?
The beta sheets have had a setting to enable the 3.2.2 ArP conversion rate for a while now. Check the "Settings" tab.

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Old 09/24/09, 4:42 PM   #8422
Phrequency-
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Magtheridon
Originally Posted by Maaras View Post
The beta sheets have had a setting to enable the 3.2.2 ArP conversion rate for a while now. Check the "Settings" tab.
Got it, thanks

Last edited by Phrequency- : 09/24/09 at 4:50 PM.

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Old 09/24/09, 4:47 PM   #8423
mcam31132008
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Steamwheedle Cartel
ArP

Pretty sure everyone is tired of the ArP discussion but just wanting to know if it has been determined whether or not gemming for ArP is worthwhile, i've read all the post and most of which are just well i think this and i think that. Wondering if anyone has proven yet or not its practicality. I have runestone and a passive ArP of like 372, i could easily gem to the cap but not sure how viable it is.

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Old 09/24/09, 6:07 PM   #8424
Dakkat
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Proudmoore
93 pages....../sigh.

Is it possible to get a good solo leveling spec for a lvl 66 Mage? I've had this fella mothballed for a bit and am dusting him off for a run to 80.

Gracias.

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Old 09/24/09, 6:36 PM   #8425
Ilyawen
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Undead Mage
 
Die Todeskrallen (EU)
Short answer: Put everything in frost, its VERY hard to do it wrong really.

Long answer: Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

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