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Old 06/09/09, 7:26 AM   #5071
Anduryondon
Piston Honda
 
Undead Warrior
 
Blackrock (EU)
If you download the newest version of the spreadsheet theres a nice window in the bottom left corner that tells you how much ARP you have with/without GT/Mjollnir Proccs.

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Old 06/09/09, 7:48 AM   #5072
EnderAsha
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Zul'Jin
Some assistance with leveling builds and style

Ok so here's a genuine couple of questions about Death Knight levelling and tanking that i'm faced with right now. I have a couple of melee caster alts at or close to 80 along with my druid and I've not had any real confusion over a levelling spec on any of them but the DK is overwhelming me slightly.

I purchased dual spec on my DK so i could have a frost tanking spec that I level along with whatever DPS spec I choose. So far it's been a lot of fun. I have Unholy /w runic mastery and some blood as my dps spec currently and here are my issues that I have at level 69:

- I know the standard single target rotation for dps as unholy and i know my gear has issues (though i have the heirloom shoulders and weapon) however I find I get a little confused chaining through multiple mobs that I can't pestilence my diseases to. In instances things die so fast I find i'm just spamming trying to get attacks off. I think I'm lucky to pull 600-800 dps.

- Given my frustration with unholy sometimes I just swap to my tanking build to grind and it seems to work better/easier. The big RNG hits of Rime and Killing Machine sometimes let me kill mobs in literally a couple of seconds with Icy Touch, Obliterate, Obliterate (death runes) Auto Attack, Crit Frost Strike, Frost Strike

- My frost spec is for tanking and lacks the punch of a full frost DPS build but for some reason the ease of the rotation is making it more friendly to just bounce from mob to mob. Later when I decide to instance I'm sure Unholy can be very friendly for 5 mans and beyond that. Right now grinding mobs and in low level dungeons I feel outmatched (granted I may be with 71-72 alts that have epic gear from BC) and i'm not cutting it.

Am i doing something wring with Unholy? Would Blood DPS be a better option for mindless grinding/questing and soloing elites? Should I just make my dps spec another frost spec? I could surely use help.

Last edited by EnderAsha : 06/09/09 at 7:55 AM.

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Old 06/09/09, 7:57 AM   #5073
Timujingeo
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Undead Rogue
 
Kazzak (EU)
Infraction for?

I have received an infraction for:

You have received an infraction at Elitist Jerks.

Reason: 1. All posters are to make an effort to communicate clearly.
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Originally Posted by Timujingeo View Post
Talking of 'other' professions, there used to be a very nice buff for herbalists namely fireleaf and fireseed which gave some excellent buffs, I.E. 400 ap for 10 secs or so.
Then Bliz in their infinite wisdom decided to nerf for no real reason.
Has anyone heard any news of a replacement buff for herbalists?
What on earth are you on; this is a clear and concise request for any news of a profession buff for herbalists?
Honestly...

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Old 06/09/09, 9:38 AM   #5074
Fimka
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Human Paladin
 
Grizzly Hills
Originally Posted by ks197 View Post
Hello. I am a PvP ret paladin, playing 2200 2s and 2100 3s at the moment. I'm having difficulty making a castsequence macro that will cast my defensive cooldowns on my healer with one button.

Something like:

/castsequence reset=120 [target=player2] divine sacrifice, hand of protection, hand of sacrifice

I'd like it to cast one, then the other, then the other each time I press it, then reset at 2 minutes since that's the CD of divine sacrifice and hand of sacrifice. I use the function that casts friendly spells on myself if I have an enemy player targeted, hence the need for the target specifier.


Second macro help question. When I'm playing 3s i'll sometimes find myself the unusual position of wanting to BOP or hand of sacrifice my dps partner (a DK) instead of my healer. How can I add in a modifier to a macro that would be like

/cast [modifier:ctrl, help] [modifier:ctrl, target=targettarget, help] hand of protection; [modifier:shift, help] [modifier:shift, target=player1, help] hand of protection

Thanks for your help.


sorry i dont have an answer for your question but i have a few questions for you. What macros are you using on yourself, i am wondering if its possible to create a macro that will cast a flash of light after the DS. whats your overall advise for staying alive, in started using JoL to get some health back but i am loosing JoJ, not sure if its worth it. whats your advise on playing a ret pally

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Old 06/09/09, 10:18 AM   #5075
rldolph79
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Human Paladin
 
Alexstrasza
Originally Posted by ltdan View Post
The crit is nice, but at the expense of all that Str and extra AP?

XT, Auriaya, Hodir, Ignis and Kolagarn and Council are all great fights for me and I really dont have have problems averageing 7k on them. Vezaxx and Mim I cant recall
Expertise is essentially equal to strength for ret, so losing str for expertise isn't really a loss at all. There's also an impressive amount of armor pen on Recluse that pushes it over the top. Be stubborn if you like... It's only hurting your dps, but judging by your dps claims you're already the best ret paladin in the world so you shouldn't have to worry about it anyway.

Auriaya you're not going to dream of hitting 7k until you have the 4 set bonus (DS crit RNG is your only chance), and probably not even then. 1 ret has broken 7k on WMO, and he had better gear and warlocks/mages that didn't really bother to kill the adds when they popped. Kolo it's nearly impossible to hit 7k in your gear unless you're hitting the rubble or you have ridiculously good RNG... I'd be surprised if you were consistently breaking 6500. Council, you're not hitting 7k, ever... Period. If you were hitting 7k, you'd be 800 dps ahead of the best score on WMO. Vezaxx, you're going to be very lucky to break 5k. Mimiron, you're not going to break 5k ever. You can continue to claim whatever you want, but we know you're full of it, so all you're doing is hurting your credibility. Your choice I guess.

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Old 06/09/09, 11:09 AM   #5076
 Nicarras
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Undead Priest
 
Illidan
HP is only party wide, so you can only gear for it if you have a pretty consistent raid and raid setup.

I went ahead and updated the first post as per request of some readers. If there are some things that you think should be added to the OP then feel free to PM me and I'll get it updated.

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Old 06/09/09, 11:35 AM   #5077
Keyzersoze
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Gilneas
Originally Posted by pethebi View Post
are you sure? 41% ARP + 10% on battle stance seems kind of low
GT is actually 49% and change. I believe he is saying 41%+10% = 51% then the GT proc.

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Old 06/09/09, 11:55 AM   #5078
EnderAsha
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Zul'Jin
Levelling DPS questions

Sorry, wasn't sure where to put this


Ok so here's a genuine couple of questions about Death Knight levelling and tanking that i'm faced with right now. I have a couple of melee caster alts at or close to 80 along with my druid and I've not had any real confusion over a levelling spec on any of them but the DK is overwhelming me slightly.

I purchased dual spec on my DK so i could have a frost tanking spec that I level along with whatever DPS spec I choose. So far it's been a lot of fun. I have unholy/blood /w runic mastery as my dps spec currently and here are my issues that I have at level 69:

- I know the standard single target rotation for dps as unholy and i know my gear has issues (though i have the heirloom shoulders and weapon) however I find I get a little confused chaining through multiple mobs that I can't pestilence my diseases to. In instances things die so fast I find i'm just spamming trying to get attacks off. I think I'm lucky to pull 600-800 dps.

- Given my frustration with unholy sometimes I just swap to my tanking build to grind and it seems to work better/easier. The big RNG hits of Rime and Killing Machine sometimes let me kill mobs in literally a couple of seconds with Icy Touch, Obliterate, Obliterate (death runes) Auto Attack, Crit Frost Strike, Frost Strike

- My frost spec is for tanking and lacks the punch of a full frost DPS build but for some reason the ease of the rotation is making it more friendly to just bounce from mob to mob. Later when I decide to instance I'm sure Unholy can be very friendly for 5 mans and beyond that. Right now grinding mobs and in low level dungeons I feel outmatched (granted I may be with 71-72 alts that have epic gear from BC) and i'm not cutting it.

Thoughts? Is there a blood spec anyone can suggest for a level 70 to level with? Is there any real advantages of these blood builds versus say soloing elites from group quests in Northrend? I'm curious to hear what people think.

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Old 06/09/09, 12:02 PM   #5079
 Darkside
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Kroot
Orc Death Knight
 
No WoW Account
Dude, you're leveling, talents don't matter at all. Get a blind monkey to randomly place your talent points, bind everything to Death Strike and faceroll your way to 80 with zero downtime.

Originally Posted by Silmeria View Post
See this is how engineers argue! Why the fuck we gotta have 17 page threads on how much Diablo 3 sucks I blame liberal arts majors

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Old 06/09/09, 12:20 PM   #5080
Wyrme
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Karazhan (EU)
Originally Posted by Iru View Post
By smart tracking do you mean changing tracking modes to match the current target so that you get the benefit of Improved Tracking? If so, there's no need. All tracking targets classes benefit from Improved Tracking as long as you are tracking something (i.e. beast, human, elemental etc). Tjhis has been true since the 3.1 release.

If course, you could have been in Fish Finder mode and forgotten to swap back I guess, so perhaps alerting if you are in combat but do not have a tracking class active could be useful.
I knew there was a reason I read these posts. I had missed that change, thanks for the feedback.

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Old 06/09/09, 12:23 PM   #5081
ouma
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Stormrage (EU)
hello
im a new poster in EJ and i got as well some questions since some things are not that clear to me cause im a new rogue raider.
combat vs muti pve spec
as far as i have understund from theory even i've never tried muti on pve ,muti spec is better when boss is Murder-able
im playing combat and im waiting to get some expertise gear to turn to mutilate ,so my question is if my thought are correct . In case that i use the optimal rotation on both specs what do you suggest for better performance ?

thnx in advance for answering

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Old 06/09/09, 12:29 PM   #5082
EnderAsha
Glass Joe
 
Troll Druid
 
Zul'Jin
I get that I definately do. I was just curious if blood had a simpler rotation to make moving from monster to monster a little easier but maybe I'm making something out of nothing.

Perhaps my gear is just kind of crappy at the moment and my stats are just lower than i'd like...or maybe I was just spoiled by my last alt i levelled the Ret Paladin who just top loaded his damage through every mob he ran by.

Frost just seemed to have those random kapow hits from Rime and Killing Machine but i'd like to come up with a blood or unholy style of play that works for me. Hence I was hoping someone who levelled blood could give me a spec, or someone who levelled unholy could give feedback about who he/she played it out and how they solo'd the big 2-4 people quest elites. I know my ret pally could do it through instant flashes of light.

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Old 06/09/09, 12:57 PM   #5083
Gwaihir
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Gwaiihir
Orc Shaman
 
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Originally Posted by hozzer View Post
The problem I have with this statement is that as far as we know:
{everyone in the world using WWS} ~= {people who upload directly to WMO}

So any assertions that there are somehow huge differences between WMO and the old aggregators might well be fallacy.

How big of a drooling moron do you have to be to assume that?

SUUUUUUUUUREEE, the entire raiding population using the only available log parsing tool at the time is equal to whatever percentage decide to use the shittiest out of many more options for log parsing and reporting.

Last edited by Gwaihir : 06/09/09 at 2:22 PM.

<Gwaihir> mage time is like booterang
<Gwaihir> AUGH BOOTERANG
<Gwaihir> AUGH MAGE TIME
<Ama> AUGH MAGE TIME
<XI|> AUGH MAGE TIME

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Old 06/09/09, 1:00 PM   #5084
muufassa
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Arathor
ok thank you very much...i think i am just going to go with landsoul's spreadsheet. i kind of started messing with it just a little while ago and found it much more useful than rawr.

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Old 06/09/09, 1:23 PM   #5085
Hotknight
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Shadowsong
Originally Posted by RabbitMaster View Post
Obviously you should be. Expertise is a great threat stat, specially for a tank even a frost or unholy one, because we all have a lot of physical attacks, and we don't coward in the boss's back ;-)

If you want some numbers, go ahead for the "softcap" at 6.5% after what it's really up to you and your gear to decide if you want more or less. The aggro your raid DPS are producing is also the main criteria.
Thank you very much. I didn't know if it was worth it to give up some avoidance to get expertise.

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