Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 340

Ballzofier · 06/09/09, 1:32 PM

Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post this. I'm levelling my DK at the moment, and am interested in dual speccing tank and pve dps, both blood hopefully. Can anyone link me to the builds or a thread containing them? thanks ^_^

Heck · 06/09/09, 1:55 PM

Originally Posted by Arikah

It is purely a pvp change, since no pve spec uses it (because many mobs and all bosses are immune to it). It's a little bit of a /facepalm move, but in the long run it may be healthy (maybe it'll turn into our snare?)

Also I got around to posting on the official forums: World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> Ret&Prot paladin pve+pvp balance issues . I really wish the post length there were longer, but oh well it's all split up. It'd be nice to get a response from a dev, perhaps if enough people chime in with ideas and thoughts we can get something done?

Trying to keep your post bumped enough so there will be some actual discussion on the topic. Unfortunately, it seems that the Damage Dealing forums (which is just about the only place Devs will post anymore) has just turned into another pvp forum.

Keep fighting the good fight.

kr0n1x · 06/09/09, 3:34 PM

Ok, it's enough.

I'll replace skinning with tailoring!
Thanks for informations, maybe you can write about it in the first post, more info is better so nobody will ask again.

thypimp01 · 06/09/09, 5:53 PM

Im still tryin to figure out what is the best way to glyph for healing. Anyone wana throw me a gem?

Balrogg · 06/09/09, 8:53 PM

Hi Everybody, I'm new here. I use Healbot and really like it. I can take care of poison, curse, show's the time left on hots, other incomeing heals. I used the cure tab to show which player get's hit by Frost Blast in the Naxx KT fight so I can throw a Rejuv and Swiftmend on them.
the only thing I don't like about Healbot is I want to be able to read the text of the Players name better. It would be great if it could be bright white in the middle of the bar. I can't see anyplace to change the players name.

What kind of HPS can everybody do? I can normally do between 3-4k in 25 Naxx if we're takeing heavy raid Damage and have hit over 6k a few times, while staying low on Overheals.

How do Resto Druid's compare to other classes as far as healing potential? I've seen a Pally do 4k all the time, but with 50% overheals, a Shaman in the 3k hps range, but it seems like MANY other healers(with 200 and 213+ level gear) are only doing 1400-1900 while the raid is wipeing. Is this a class deficiency?

TIA
Balrogg

Copola · 06/09/09, 9:58 PM

For destro does anyone know if it is actually worth casting CoA if you know there isn't enough time for CoD to go off?

Zhengcl86 · 06/09/09, 10:32 PM

gemming. after capping hit/expertise 8% / 6.25% next step is gemming armor pen correct? what is the cap in that.

fliptrocity · 06/09/09, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by g33ksta

There you go. Will edit with an in-combat SS.

Lol ainda nao ta essa merda?

nao sabia que os tugas tb jogavam wow!

Isambaard · 06/10/09, 2:38 AM

Originally Posted by Zhengcl86

gemming. after capping hit/expertise 8% / 6.25% next step is gemming armor pen correct? what is the cap in that.

Its not even remotely that simple. Gemming for hit is generally considered a complete waste, ditto for expertise. Its just fine to cruise a little under cap on either or both if it nets you more of stats that provide more benefit, i.e. agi or arp.

Get rawr, import your character, setup an arp gem set and run the optimizer.

The soft cap for arp depends on if you have a runestone or grim toll, both are in the 560-600 range.

Oth · 06/10/09, 4:26 AM

Well, snowflakes aside:

I'd like to model a 0/13/58 build that replaces SL/ISL with Bane. In other words, it needs to cast SB as part of the normal destro rotation every 30s. (Yes, it loses DPS. 'How much' is what I want to determine.)

I'm pretty sure that it's not sufficient for me to squeeze in 'shadow_bolt,time_to_die>=30' as an action at the bottom of the priority list (at least not in a way that properly balances Incin/SB casting). Am I reading the source correctly in that it currently does not support doing something like the druid's 'eclipse_left' flag to only cast an SB when the buff is not up and the time left is <2.5s?

KergeKacsa · 06/10/09, 5:12 AM

Originally Posted by KergeKacsa

I found an another bug.
If I turn off Hunter's mark (not mine) on the target's Debuff section, and I have 1 point in Imp. Hunters Mark, I have 7297dps.
If I turn on Hunter's mark (not mine, not talented, not glyphed) on the target's Debuff section, I got 7269dps, so I lost 30dps.
It seems the other hunter's unglyphed/untalented HM overwrites my talented HM.
I think this would be good if the greater HM would be in effect.

Shandara, can you confirm this pls?

Kvaern · 06/10/09, 6:46 AM

I have no problems with the Vindication/HoJ nerfs themselves, in fact I think these are good nerfs which hopefully paves the way for some active offensive utility down the road but seriously their justification for making the changes is the biggest load of bull I've heard from Blizzard for awhile.

Suddenly, after about 9 months, the HoJ player interrupt was never intended and needed to be hot fixed?

- oh come on don't insult my intelligence, just call the spade for the spade it is and say it's was a necessary balancing change if that's what you feel.

Vindication was apparently nerfed because ret is OP at lower ratings and in BGs.

- The nerf will have practically no effect on the level play where you run up to someone and nuke him down in 2 GCD's but it will affect higher rated games where you have to setup a CC/burst combo over and over til it succeeds.
Also, unlike any other ret paladin ability, Vindication directly scales with the level of your opponents gear.

*Scratches head*

kordelia · 06/10/09, 6:49 AM

Hi, long time reader first time poster, i am not sure we can discuss Iron Council hard mode and excuse me if i break forum rules.
We trying this hard mode too 25 men version i mean. We decided that we are prepared for it because we have Thorim and Hodir hard modes on farm and raid is pretty well geared i think. But we literally hit a wall with this fight. Spending more then 2 full raid days with 100+ wipes we came with raid composition 3 tanks 5 healers rest is DPS. Using the strategy medium->small->big guy. Usual things three soakers (2 shadow priests and lock) everything looks pretty ok but we just cant pull enough DPS to kill the last guy. I am not sure we can doit with 4 tanks strategy because last tank is pretty much oneshotted plus raid damage is too high to be outhealed with 5 healers in total. We ending with something like 15-20% in our best. So do you have any suggestions how to improve this fight, for example do we need to add one more healer or when is the best time to use bloodlust.
Thanks in advance for help and delete the post if this discussion is still forbiden.

OnTheHissay · 06/10/09, 9:39 AM

I remember sometime way back when.. Paladins were asking in a popular thread made on the US forums: Why paladins didn't have some sort of MS like ability, given that we do not have a reliable interrupt. Which upon blues replied something in the lines of: You have Vindication.

Now that, that argument isn't valid anymore it'll be funny to see if they be consistent and give us something else to deal with healing in general, PvP wise. An Interrupt or that Crusader strike business lowering magical output would perhaps be what's in store.

sno · 06/10/09, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by kordelia

Hi, long time reader first time poster, i am not sure we can discuss Iron Council hard mode and excuse me if i break forum rules.
We trying this hard mode too 25 men version i mean. We decided that we are prepared for it because we have Thorim and Hodir hard modes on farm and raid is pretty well geared i think. But we literally hit a wall with this fight. Spending more then 2 full raid days with 100+ wipes we came with raid composition 3 tanks 5 healers rest is DPS. Using the strategy medium->small->big guy. Usual things three soakers (2 shadow priests and lock) everything looks pretty ok but we just cant pull enough DPS to kill the last guy. I am not sure we can doit with 4 tanks strategy because last tank is pretty much oneshotted plus raid damage is too high to be outhealed with 5 healers in total. We ending with something like 15-20% in our best. So do you have any suggestions how to improve this fight, for example do we need to add one more healer or when is the best time to use bloodlust.
Thanks in advance for help and delete the post if this discussion is still forbiden.

You didn't write it here but do you ress the first tank that dies?
We did it with 3 tanks, the first one was a DK and when he died we ressed and buffed him and when he tanked the second time we chained cooldowns on him from the second he taunted untill the boss was dead since the tank will then take some serious damage, think we used guardian before taunt then pain suppression, another guardian and then hand of sacrifice and think he used some of his own cool downs aswell.