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Old 10/02/09, 5:44 PM   #8676
Shinigami84
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Firetree
I'm looking at the new dps spread sheet, and the rupture-free cycle and rupture cycle dont change my dps at all. Even in T8 gear or T9 gear. Is this happening to anyone else? On this spreadsheet i still see T8>T9.245.

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Old 10/02/09, 6:35 PM   #8677
Karalius
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Defias Brotherhood (EU)
Hey guys, from all these rotation examples and stuff i think i missed and can't find the most important question for me.
What are the optimal stats for an arcane mage? I've heard stuff to get like 2800 spell power and 700ish haste, ignoring crit, is that true? what are the optimal numbers and why?

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Old 10/02/09, 7:00 PM   #8678
Jugg300
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Baelgun
Originally Posted by Karalius View Post
Hey guys, from all these rotation examples and stuff i think i missed and can't find the most important question for me.
What are the optimal stats for an arcane mage? I've heard stuff to get like 2800 spell power and 700ish haste, ignoring crit, is that true? what are the optimal numbers and why?
Well you're gonna want to have as much spellpower as possible. You can go Arcane at anypoint, don't need a certain amount of spellpower. Haste is all dependent on your mana pool really. On my mage raid buffed I have right at 31k mana and I have 812 haste rating. I could personally use some more haste to clean out the mana pool each boss fight. You should use a spreadsheet of some type to figure out the right amount of haste for your own mana pool. There is no optimal haste number. You want to convert as much mana into DPS as possible.

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Old 10/02/09, 7:40 PM   #8679
sizketz
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Blackwing Lair
OH weapon speed

Hello I know a faster weapon in the offhand is better for combat for combat potency procs but my question is this:
How much less is a 1.5 vs a 1.4 weapon worth assuming they have the same dps. i know there has got to be a ep value placed on OH weapon speed but the only place i can find anything is on shadowpanther and i dont really trust it so much. TYVM for your time.

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Old 10/02/09, 7:48 PM   #8680
sizketz
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Blackwing Lair
Hello I know a faster weapon in the offhand is better for combat for combat potency procs but my question is this:
How much less is a 1.5 vs a 1.4 weapon worth assuming they have the same dps. i know there has got to be a ep value placed on OH weapon speed but the only place i can find anything is on shadowpanther and i dont really trust it so much. ty

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Old 10/02/09, 8:38 PM   #8681
Dumbel
Glass Joe
 
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Human Mage
 
Khaz'goroth
Hi, is anonye able to work out the optimal rotation when Arcane power is up. I usually spam Arcane blast but this is costly on mana.

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Old 10/02/09, 9:33 PM   #8682
cutfang
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Shadowsong (EU)
I've got to admit I love having massive amounts of gold, it makes wiping 20 times over in a raid somewhat painless (oh its just 200g, hohoho). Today I used up a few thousand gold to buy all the Books of Glyph Mastery for my inscription, just because I wanted to.

But a quite useful thing to do with lots of gold is attempt to buy drops in instances, in particular VoA, off other players (I'll give you 500g for that T8 piece) etc. Practice your haggling in a PUG environment.

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Old 10/03/09, 12:56 AM   #8683
Souai
Von Kaiser
 
Souai
Orc Shaman
 
No WoW Account
delete this

Last edited by Souai : 10/03/09 at 1:05 AM. Reason: Probably would have broken "don't talk bout Anub"

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Old 10/03/09, 7:03 AM   #8684
Tesfa
Banned
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Arthas
Well i see what you're saying. But It wasn't on a diff night, it was ToC 10 heroic and because our group is still having trouble with beasts, i actually did 6 fights with arpen gems and had agi gems in backback to swap and did ... and keeping rupture up was definitely a noticeable increase.

but hey i guess ill just blindly follow the spreadsheet no matter how uncomfortable that makes me.

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Old 10/03/09, 8:02 AM   #8685
SilentNSly
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Moonrunner
Originally Posted by Aldriana View Post
However, it's also worth noting that that gear list is relatively out of date - following the 3.2.2 ArPen nerf, axe setups will beat mace-dagger setups both for softcap/Mjolnir setups and straight hardcap setups. And a handful of the other slots change for related reasons. Hence, I wouldn't focus on that particular list too much - it's still not a *bad* setup, but there are decidedly better ones.
Waiting patiently for a new BiS list for 3.2.2.

The new weapons with procs and ArPen nerf is really confusing.

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Old 10/03/09, 8:18 AM   #8686
kagato
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by BPs View Post
Well I updated it just a little, changed my buff bars and action bars a bit. Also I uploaded it for you guys (download here). Its made for a 1680x1050 so you might have to play around with it. If anyone has questions just send me a PM. Here is a SS of how it looks now.
Sweet, thanks!

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Old 10/03/09, 8:31 AM   #8687
Emily
Piston Honda
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Doomhammer (EU)
Originally Posted by The_Marsh View Post
Source: Patch 3.3 Now live on PTRs

Another threat gen nerf? Personally, I don't believe that Ret is doing crazy amounts of damage at the moment, why bother nerfing? (I don't actually play ret, can anyone shine some light on this?)
Tooltip correction only, to match SoV.

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Old 10/03/09, 9:55 AM   #8688
SilentNSly
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Moonrunner
Originally Posted by Mavanas View Post
It says in the table, it's for 3.2.2 BiS, so it does not mean you should gem AP in your gear. You need to be able to check what works better for your own gear. Also AP gemming only makes sense with weapon swapping.
I seen the 3.2 BiS gear lists below:

Best In Slot

Aldriana's T9 BIS Gear List can be found here.
Aldriana's T8 BIS Gear List can be found here.
Mavanas' T8 BIS Gear List can be found here.
However I could not find any 3.2.2 BiS gear list. Could you please link it as I can't seem to find it.

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Old 10/03/09, 12:05 PM   #8689
Æpic
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Rexxar
The World of Warcraft Armory is my curent survival spec. I literally just replaced my helm and chest last night (got rid of my t8.5), so I don't know if this spec is still more viable than 0/15/56. I was messing around on femaledwarf and found that if I took Aimed Shot out and put 3/3 in improved stings, it would be a dps increase, but you need 15 points in MM to get improved stings. Now that my stings aren't doing 10% more damage, I'll have to run the numbers. Regardless, femaledwarf is showing me that taking out of resourcefulness or expose weakness isn't worth it for that extra improved stings point.

Scratch that last post. Since my gear change, 0/18/53 is a dps increase. Try it out, it's nice.

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Old 10/03/09, 12:50 PM   #8690
elive
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Auchindoun (EU)
Originally Posted by Facebreaker View Post
Delete your cache folder and see if it changes.
hmm dunno i just installed the PTR but i wil try later + the buff didnt fade after 1min

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Old 10/03/09, 12:52 PM   #8691
Facebreaker
Glass Joe
 
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Undead Death Knight
 
Shandris
O that is on the PTR? It might have changed there, not sure.

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Old 10/03/09, 1:30 PM   #8692
Dirtmcdirt
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Shadowmoon
Trying to decide if I should get the BoE Mail healing chest crafted or stick with my Breastplate of the Frozen Lake.

74 Crit
24 Haste
9 Spell Power

Vs

45 MP5
20 Intellect

I'm leaning towards the crafted chest at the moment, guide me o' wise holy paladins.

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Old 10/03/09, 1:53 PM   #8693
Mox
Piston Honda
 
Human Paladin
 
Azjol-Nerub (EU)
Originally Posted by Dirtmcdirt View Post
Trying to decide if I should get the BoE Mail healing chest crafted or stick with my Breastplate of the Frozen Lake.

74 Crit
24 Haste
9 Spell Power

Vs

45 MP5
20 Intellect

I'm leaning towards the crafted chest at the moment, guide me o' wise holy paladins.
As always, use rawr. set it up how you like and bingo.. gear choices made easy. Apply alittle common sense here and there of course with regards to gear, rawr can show gains of afew HPS in different gear but chances are you wouldn't even notice that kind of gain in a real fight at which point go with whichever is easist to get.

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Old 10/03/09, 2:02 PM   #8694
Dirtmcdirt
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Shadowmoon
Originally Posted by Mox View Post
As always, use rawr. set it up how you like and bingo.. gear choices made easy. Apply alittle common sense here and there of course with regards to gear, rawr can show gains of afew HPS in different gear but chances are you wouldn't even notice that kind of gain in a real fight at which point go with whichever is easist to get.

I would really love to but it won't install =/ Get some application error

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Old 10/03/09, 2:43 PM   #8695
Pontìfex
Glass Joe
 
Human Paladin
 
Hyjal
Originally Posted by Mox View Post
As always, use rawr. set it up how you like and bingo.. gear choices made easy. Apply alittle common sense here and there of course with regards to gear, rawr can show gains of afew HPS in different gear but chances are you wouldn't even notice that kind of gain in a real fight at which point go with whichever is easist to get.
Recently, I'm finding that rawr is being weighted towards crit quite heavily. It's really just because it doesn't factor in overhealing, which would be very difficult to model effectively. So when it tells you that a crit/mp5 piece is better than a similar haste/mp5 piece, take a second to think about it before you follow it blindly.

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Old 10/03/09, 2:44 PM   #8696
Facebreaker
Glass Joe
 
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Undead Death Knight
 
Shandris
Yeah Vengeance still isn't in the DB yet, he's prolly working on it now.

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Old 10/03/09, 2:45 PM   #8697
Facebreaker
Glass Joe
 
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Undead Death Knight
 
Shandris
I just wanna say this thing has really helped out my dps in all sorts of ways, Thanks Zerack!

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Old 10/03/09, 3:35 PM   #8698
masher
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Anvilmar
advice on gemming and gear

This is my first post and I was wondering if anyone had any input on my set up and spec. Also, should i equip Spiked Battleguard Choker or Might of the Leviathan with the nerf to ArP since im still under hit cap? As far as wepons, should i stick with polearm i currently have or go back to using Edge of Ruin?

Last edited by masher : 10/03/09 at 3:40 PM.

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Old 10/03/09, 6:37 PM   #8699
Auramere
Glass Joe
 
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Draenei Shaman
 
Alleria
3.2.2 Verdict

So what is the verdict for 3.2.2?

Is flame shock back in for us? and which glyph do we replace?
Is Totem of Quaking Earth now the choice totem for 4p T9 instead of Electrifying Wind?
And has haste become the choice stat after hit/exp cap in 25 man raids?

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Old 10/03/09, 7:16 PM   #8700
syntaxsmurf
Banned
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
missing 15 badges for the 4set. *Facetodesk*

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