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Old 06/16/09, 12:35 PM   #5326
Tensile
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
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Twisting Nether
Originally Posted by Gozardina View Post
Wyvern Sting is required to take 3/3 Noxious Stings. Each point in Noxious Stings increases your damage by a percent per point on a target afflicted by your Serpent Sting.
Thanks, I'd never made the connection between the increase damage to SS and NS

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Old 06/16/09, 1:02 PM   #5327
Crj700driver
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Burning Legion
thankyou!

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Old 06/16/09, 1:28 PM   #5328
drauka
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Aggramar
ShakeNbake, I like your talent build, it sounds interesting, I certainly see the benefit in having spell deflection for several bosses, but didn't want to go full blood tanking.... I will play with it for a while and see what happens.

Just out of curiosity which rotation have you been using with it? for Single target, and aoe tanking.

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Old 06/16/09, 1:46 PM   #5329
Mojojica
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Dwarf Warrior
 
Garona
Yea, at first it was not allowing me to type in the cell. After I downloaded it again, it worked. Thanks for the info.

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Old 06/16/09, 1:55 PM   #5330
muffinmocha
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Human Warlock
 
Tichondrius
Worst lock ever

Originally Posted by krilz View Post
The correct rotation is COD -> Immolate -> Conflagrate -> CB -> Incinerate. Note however that some players experience lag between Immo and Conflag which might give you a second of "dead time" so you can cast COD/Corruption here or just wait for Conlag (hopefully to proc a Pyroclasm) and then put down COD.

As for Corruption or not... Corruption has slightly lower DPCT than Incinerate but if you still carry around 2pT7 it's still worth casting it somewhat. Once that is gone however, Corruption can be left out entirely (but cast on heavy movement fights).
Let me preface my comment/question by saying that I'm probably the worst desto lock playing on Tichondrius, nay, in all of WoW, but I really want to get better, ie, not get thrown out of a group cause of really low dps, hehe. Against the advice of every single post I ever have read, I have been playing desto since I could accrue talent points, not the most practical, but I love it. So, anyway, as a lowbie, with bad gear, would this rotation provide a significant increase in DPS?

Thanks

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Old 06/16/09, 2:39 PM   #5331
Djinn13
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Lethon
wierd ret spec idea.

Ok, brand new to the paladin pvp scene, i decided to respec my freshly 80 retribution spec paladin. I am well aware of the burst dps that they are capable of, also their defensive capabilities. But idk what drove me to come up with this spec, just check it out and see if its really worth it.


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Old 06/16/09, 3:32 PM   #5332
intrepidos
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Blood Elf Priest
 
Eredar
here's some heavy lifebloom usage (52% effective)

Emalon 10 man:



I don't have any T8 yet.

comments?

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Old 06/16/09, 4:18 PM   #5333
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Velen
This is my first post on Elitist Jerks and I wanted to start off by saying thanks to all of you who post on the warlock forms. I have followed your suggestions for many years on all aspects of the warlock and I look forward to participating in some of the talk.

I have read over a lot of posts since WOTLK was released and one thing that I still can’t seem to find a lot of info on is COE and have a few questions I was hoping to get some help with.

As a 0/13/58 deep destro I have been told that DK’s over right COE on boss fights but they do not during trash is this true? And if it is being overwritten then why does it not drop off of dotimer and still shows active and ticking on the bosses name plate?

The above question should answer my next question and that is should I be using COD on bosses instead of COE?

The last question is about stones. It seems there is a debate going about what one is truly the best for deep destro. Should the fire stone be used for extra crit or should we be sticking to the spell stone for the extra haste and 1% to Immolate? A clear cut answer to this would be great if anyone can help.

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Old 06/16/09, 4:35 PM   #5334
ElJoser
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Cenarion Circle
Originally Posted by palp View Post
This is my first post on Elitist Jerks and I wanted to start off by saying thanks to all of you who post on the warlock forms. I have followed your suggestions for many years on all aspects of the warlock and I look forward to participating in some of the talk.

I have read over a lot of posts since WOTLK was released and one thing that I still can’t seem to find a lot of info on is COE and have a few questions I was hoping to get some help with.

As a 0/13/58 deep destro I have been told that DK’s over right COE on boss fights but they do not during trash is this true? And if it is being overwritten then why does it not drop off of dotimer and still shows active and ticking on the bosses name plate?

The above question should answer my next question and that is should I be using COD on bosses instead of COE?

The last question is about stones. It seems there is a debate going about what one is truly the best for deep destro. Should the fire stone be used for extra crit or should we be sticking to the spell stone for the extra haste and 1% to Immolate? A clear cut answer to this would be great if anyone can help.
It doesn't "override" your CoE, it just provides the same buff (13% spell damage). They can both be on the boss at the same time, so it wouldn't fall off the boss and thus your bosstimer

The answer to your CoE vs CoD question depends on raid composition. I would assume with any halfway decent constructed 25-man raid you'll have either a Boomkin or a DK, in which case you should definitely forget about CoE and go with CoD. However, in some 10-man raids composition might be a little bit trickier, so it depends on who you're raiding with. If there's a Boomkin or DK in your raid, go with the CoD. To be honest, CoE is a mostly forgotten spell at this point for most cases that matter.

I believe the general consensus on spellstone vs firestone is to take Firestone for a deep destro build. The haste/crit discussion is one thing, but 1% damage bonus to your DD spells is substantial when DD account for 80+% of your damage. I think I saw some numbers that indicated that the difference between the two isn't huge and in some cases you can justify spellstone, but I'd go with firestone myself.

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Old 06/16/09, 4:57 PM   #5335
Torrential
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Orc Shaman
 
Turalyon
Originally Posted by palp View Post
As a 0/13/58 deep destro I have been told that DK’s over right COE on boss fights but they do not during trash is this true? And if it is being overwritten then why does it not drop off of dotimer and still shows active and ticking on the bosses name plate?
Unholy DKs get Ebon Plaguebringer. It provides the same 13% magic damage debuff that CoE does. It will be up 100% on a boss an Unholy DK is on.(Provided they aren't terrible) On trash, or aoe adds, it is far superior as they can spread the debuff to all mobs in 2 GCDs.

Moonkin also provide Earth and Moon, which is the same 13% magic damage debuff, and just like was stated earlier so long as your Moonkin is alive and not afk, E&M will be up.

If you lack both a Moonkin and Unholy DK, or your DK is perhaps attacking something different that your casters you should get a CoE up.

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Old 06/16/09, 5:13 PM   #5336
romey050500
 
Human Warrior
 
Uther
Thanks

It has taken me awhile, but I have read through this thread and I'm going redo my talents, and look through my gear tonight.

Thanks for all the info

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Old 06/16/09, 5:28 PM   #5337
SkagasmAddict
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Night Elf Druid
 
Bleeding Hollow
Originally Posted by intrepidos View Post
here's some heavy lifebloom usage (52% effective)

Emalon 10 man:

comments?
90% of the damage in 10 man Emalon is tank damage so it doesn't surprise me that you can crush another healer with lifebloom. And not to come off as a dick, but Emalon is pretty trivial at this point. Last guild run (with a few under geared and/or non-practiced healers DPS-ing) we 3-healed 25 man. I'm not bragging, just rebutting.

That's also ignoring the fact that we don't know anything about the priest: Was he disc? Was he doing his nails during the encounter? Was he assigned to the virtually non-existent raid damage? Was he spamming Smite between CoH/PoM CDs? Was he spamming Greater Heal in a desire to see big numbers? A screen shot of Recount gives virtually zero meaningful information in regards to healing.

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Old 06/16/09, 6:11 PM   #5338
nosolo
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Undead Mage
 
Jaedenar (EU)
Dint read all the reply's, but is there a best in slot gear for the arcane spec? Like using rawr and stuff.

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Old 06/16/09, 6:11 PM   #5339
Phatpharm
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Gnome Mage
 
Bloodscalp
Originally Posted by Ellyh View Post
Also of note they are curbing the ever increasing stampede towards jewel crafting.

from Bornak


This will bring it back into line with the other professions like enchanting and blacksmithing.
And yet they buff tailoring to the stratosphere in the mean time?

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Old 06/16/09, 7:26 PM   #5340
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Velen
Thanks you 2 that's the info I was looking for!

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