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Old 10/11/09, 6:11 PM   #8901
Jek Hawkins
 
Human Warrior
 
Perenolde
So....I heard what I think is the darnedest thing I've EVER heard in the history of my WoW experience. I was told I have TOO MUCH crit (chance)! A death knight tells me that anything over 30% critical suffers a sort of diminishing returns in that one crits more often, but for less. Intrigued, because I'd never heard of this before, I Googled it some, searched on forums, but could find nothing saying this (and maybe I didn't search hard enough, that's possible). I am hesitant to buy into the thought, because feral druids hit 60% critical no sweat and rogues make 45% easily, and honestly speaking, it didn't take any effort for me to get up to my current unbuffed 36% crit.

So can anyone confirm or disprove a crit damage diminishing returns effect?

Thanks in advance.

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Old 10/11/09, 6:27 PM   #8902
BWarner
Piston Honda
 
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Human Warrior
 
Uldum
No such thing as "diminishing returns on critical strike chance/damage". A Critical hit for us is 2x normal damage, no matter what (and, actually, more than that, due to Impale + Meta Gem + Axe/Poleaxe Spec). The only thing that comes close is the "crit cap", but is a total non-issue for the overwhelming majority of Warriors (basically unattainable for us, except in extreme or extremely odd gearing situations). Also, casters only get a base 1.5x normal damage upon critting, but that is by design (DKs in particular are a special case, as they get 2x damage with all crits, if I remember correctly).

I'd call him on this one.

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Old 10/11/09, 6:41 PM   #8903
taluene
 
Orc Warrior
 
Thrall
Originally Posted by Krumsha View Post
Taluene,Rise your Hit rating to 263,and try to pute 2 point in Weapon Mastery or reach 22 Expertise. You are undercapped and this can be one of the problems,letting the bosses miss,dodge or parry your attacks.
I can't say anything else.

This was just a temporary issue. Ive been dancing around hit and expertise cap. even when they are capped, there is not difference in damage. Even if they are a few tenths of a percent off, aside from the extra crit % due to hit mechanics, a rage potion fixes the damage lost.

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Old 10/11/09, 6:44 PM   #8904
BWarner
Piston Honda
 
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Human Warrior
 
Uldum
Originally Posted by taluene View Post
This was just a temporary issue. Ive been dancing around hit and expertise cap. even when they are capped, there is not difference in damage. Even if they are a few tenths of a percent off, aside from the extra crit % due to hit mechanics, a rage potion fixes the damage lost.
?!?! Why would you ever use a rage potion? You get significantly more out of a Haste, Armor, or Crit potion.

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Old 10/11/09, 6:50 PM   #8905
Krames
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Turalyon
I hold Logitech products in general high on my list when considering new products. The last three mice I have bought have all been Logitech and they have worked beautifully. The mice they produce are wonderful.

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Old 10/11/09, 8:14 PM   #8906
Hunbunn
 
Troll Warrior
 
Malfurion
armor pen

This should be an easy question to answer but I can't find it anywhere. What percentage of passive armor penetration surpasses soft cap + grim toll in dps?

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Old 10/11/09, 8:17 PM   #8907
taluene
 
Orc Warrior
 
Thrall
Are arms warriors still avoiding haste at all costs?

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Old 10/11/09, 8:46 PM   #8908
musen2k7
Glass Joe
 
Human Warrior
 
Neptulon (EU)
armorpenetration soft cap

hello i just started to play warrior again after i had a little break im confused about if i should continue to stack armorpenetration even after i reach the soft cap? (grimtoll)
as for now i gem with str gems instead of arp gems. I can buy 2x t9 ilvl 232 atm thats 6% more armorpenetration from battle stance, but i feel they are such a small upgrade from my t8.5 so i rather wait for ilvl245

edit: should i take away grimtoll and get 2 x t9 for 6%armorpene and gem all arp? i should get quite a lot of arp then


regards rob

Last edited by musen2k7 : 10/11/09 at 9:06 PM.

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Old 10/11/09, 8:49 PM   #8909
Aggronautt
Banned
 
Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Jek Hawkins View Post
So....I heard what I think is the darnedest thing I've EVER heard in the history of my WoW experience. I was told I have TOO MUCH crit (chance)! A death knight tells me that anything over 30% critical suffers a sort of diminishing returns in that one crits more often, but for less. Intrigued, because I'd never heard of this before, I Googled it some, searched on forums, but could find nothing saying this (and maybe I didn't search hard enough, that's possible). I am hesitant to buy into the thought, because feral druids hit 60% critical no sweat and rogues make 45% easily, and honestly speaking, it didn't take any effort for me to get up to my current unbuffed 36% crit.

So can anyone confirm or disprove a crit damage diminishing returns effect?

Thanks in advance.
Wow. That's 100% bullshit, I'm afraid. You were told that by an idiot.

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Old 10/11/09, 10:15 PM   #8910
Darendan
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
<SRP>
Black Dragonflight
LF Info

I was wondering if since the two best trinkets in game right now for rogues were Deaths Choice (HEROIC) and Comets trail, Is using all that arp gonna be lowering your dps if you were to otherwise stack Agi gems. I know that unless you have a trinket like Grim toll or Mjolnir Runestone to get yourself to soft cap it is pretty useles to gem for arp. Please people try and help me out just looking for some solid information

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Old 10/12/09, 2:32 AM   #8911
Krogue
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Echo Isles
Are there any versions of the spreadsheet with lower levels of gear?

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Old 10/12/09, 3:49 AM   #8912
Liquoid
Glass Joe
 
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Human Rogue
 
Balnazzar (EU)
Originally Posted by Krogue View Post
Are there any versions of the spreadsheet with lower levels of gear?
It is possible to manually add gear to the spreadsheet by unhiding the "gear" sheet and creating extra rows for the items you wish to add.

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Old 10/12/09, 4:35 AM   #8913
Misdeed
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Magtheridon
Towards the firestone vs spellstone topic, the Firestone wins out because of the 1% direct damage even though haste is an overall better stat.

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Old 10/12/09, 6:05 AM   #8914
erbs
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Thaurissan
Hello guys,
I just want to ask several questions since where in the topic of gearing
1.> If the only t9 ilvl245 gear you can get are from VoA 25 would Aurora of Transcendence + 2pcs T9 ilvl232 + 2pcs T9 ilvl245 still the best dps gear for me ?

Trophies are hard to come by for dpser's in our guild, maybe if im lucky i would get 1 trophy but that would take a long long time before that happens thus im not counting on it aswell.

The 2 pcs T9 ilvl245 from voa25 is 50/50 aswell since voa25 farming is really hard because rolling is not a good way to farm.

Aurora of Transcendence is hard to farm aswell since our guild can't do 25man onyx due to connection issues, i could only do it via pugs, thus rolling is not a good way to farm the said helm since almost all casters would roll for it.

2.> Having posted the above statements, is merlin's robe worth getting ?
3.> If the T9 ilvl232 not good at all, what would be the best gear combo


Thanks all !!!

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Old 10/12/09, 6:26 AM   #8915
Xizl
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Vashj (EU)
Someone asked earlier but I haven't seen an answer yet.
I got 4pt9 the other day and wondering if that makes it worth adding corruption in my rotation?
Using 0/16/55 specc atm

Last edited by Xizl : 10/12/09 at 6:30 AM. Reason: Wrong specc

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Old 10/12/09, 7:17 AM   #8916
taylorpain
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Mug'thol
engineering EP for combat rogues

i was wondering if u can help me figure out how to use the bombs and whatnot to make engineering kick butt on my rogue, any advise would be appreciated. i need some ideas before i commit to changing professions, or if there's a site or a post that has the info i need u could link me that. thank you

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Old 10/12/09, 8:49 AM   #8917
Brynlen
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Wyrmrest Accord
3.2 HL and FoL builds ?

Pardon if I've overlooked where to find the most updated builds, but would someone be kind enough to link or point me to the most recent HL and FoL builds ?

Thank you kindly,

Brynne <3

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Old 10/12/09, 10:41 AM   #8918
Tinax
 
Orc Hunter
 
Draenor (EU)
Sniper Training range?

Have been wondering why my dps fluctuates so much & read here that to get maxumum dps from Sniper Training you should be at 30 yards maximum range. This is the first I have read or heard of this requirement and nowhere have I seen this in any of the hunter topics being discussed. Where exactly does it specify this required range?

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Old 10/12/09, 11:37 AM   #8919
bule
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Borean Tundra
Originally Posted by Tinax View Post
Have been wondering why my dps fluctuates so much & read here that to get maxumum dps from Sniper Training you should be at 30 yards maximum range. This is the first I have read or heard of this requirement and nowhere have I seen this in any of the hunter topics being discussed. Where exactly does it specify this required range?
Pretty sure that was the old Sniper Training where you had to be 30+ yards away in order to have work. The Sniper Training we have now is stand 6secs to get the buff.

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Old 10/12/09, 1:31 PM   #8920
bodavv
Banned
 
Human Paladin
 
Dragonblight
Thanks!

That was very informative and concise. I'm blonde and even I could follow that!
Bodacieah
Vae Victus
Dragonblight Alliance BG Cyclone

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Old 10/12/09, 4:43 PM   #8921
Sculduggery
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Bleeding Hollow
Originally Posted by Aldriana View Post
TTry it again in 1.3 beta 4
I am becoming quite frustrated attempting to locate the most up to date version of the spreadsheets. Is there a list somewhere that I'm simply overlooking? Can someone please point me in the right direction?

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Old 10/12/09, 5:00 PM   #8922
Yuntiff
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Stormrage
Right next to the thread name is a little red square. Click it and it will bring up a window with all the attachments posted in the thread.

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Old 10/12/09, 5:11 PM   #8923
Moochaka
 
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Tauren Druid
 
The Forgotten Coast
Insect swarm in a rotation

My rotation consists of a constant uptime on insect swarm and moonfire, that starfire till eclipse and wrath till eclipse and keep switchin them off, i have the glyph for insect swarm and the idol that improves it as well, im lookin for some help to maximize my dps this is my current spec

The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 10/12/09, 7:08 PM   #8924
jtalaimo
Banned
 
Tauren Druid
 
Durotan
Originally Posted by Moochaka View Post
My rotation consists of a constant uptime on insect swarm and moonfire, that starfire till eclipse and wrath till eclipse and keep switchin them off, i have the glyph for insect swarm and the idol that improves it as well, im lookin for some help to maximize my dps this is my current spec

The World of Warcraft Armory
I would advise you to look at the moonkin beginners guide or the moonkinttt thread, both will have what your looking for. If your asking basic questions, spec, rotation, glyphs thats the place to find it all.

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Old 10/12/09, 8:33 PM   #8925
julliuz
 
Night Elf Death Knight
 
Moonglade (EU)
The World of Warcraft Armory

I've got 246 haste rating, 3695AP, hitcap, 27.5% crit, 184 ArP.
I don't wanna go hardcore, what should I replace or aim for right now ?

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