Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 364

Nokturnis · 06/18/09, 4:49 PM

Hey EJ. You guys are really the best at what the thoery crafting and math, where as I fail at math. Which leads me to my question. How can i determine if the increased intellect from ancestral knowledge (5/5) is enough of Ap with Mental Dexterity to beat the damage output of all 3 points in improved LS. Because as of now, its one or the other, i wish i could i free up my improved Wf totem points but the 3 dks we bring are unholy and blood /sigh. Thanks EJ

gherkin · 06/18/09, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tinava

Those are live numbers, correct, not sims for the 3.2 patch? Because if so, you'll have changes with empowered imp proccing the same amount of time, but giving us a guaranteed crit every time.

Yes, 3.1 + talent changes. People were specualting, I used some numbers. I'll explain my thoughts on the imp here.

Forgive me if I get this wrong, as I said I'm not good with probability. If I have a 40% chance to crit that is increased to 60% some of the time (which results in a ~120 dps gain), then a 40% chance to crit that is increased to 100% some of the time should result in a fair amount more dps. Despite the talent being tripled in this case (20% --> 60%) the dps doesn't triple due to probability. As you approach 100%, the value per point is decreased.

My imp had around 17% crit and cast 162 times. This "should" result in 27-28 crits. Before the buff I would have a 60% chance to crit for around 12k (6k hit).

Napkin math:
27 non crits x 6k damage x 40% to do so = 65k damage
27 crits x 12k damage per crit x 60% chance to crit = 194.4k damage
Total damage: 259.4k

27 crits x 12k damage x 100% chance to crit = 324k damage

Increase of 25%, for my gear level. Thus 120 dps x 1.25 = 150dps, which is close to the F&B nerf (and less than I expected). Considering that sometimes I will be critting with Chaos Bolt/Conflag (more damage) or Immolate (less damage) I suppose this works out, but is subjective to when the Imp crits.

Malleus · 06/18/09, 6:21 PM

This is just a little thing, I know, but isn't the Emblem change going to make it impossible to get the Achievements for 1000 Emblems of Heroism and Valor after 3.2?

wilson1975 · 06/18/09, 6:22 PM

Just got my 4 piece last night was curious if there is a new spec to use ,also if anyone could take a look at my character and tell me if i should change anything..i know gloves are not enchanted yet ,

If this is wrong thread to post in let me know thxs

mikelock · 06/18/09, 6:26 PM

we loose a steady 5% damage , we pick up an extra 80% to crit on one spell that was already criting, just less frequent, this cant possibly be a buff in a real raid situation.

With this being said, im sure blizz intended the imp buff to balance out the f+b nerf, so most likley if the numbers dont prove true they will adjust it accordingly, i have faith in blizz.

Zakariya · 06/18/09, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rhaegal

Pretty sure the sky still isn't falling.

Your nonsense logic has no place here! Take cover, my friends!

Hotan · 06/18/09, 6:54 PM

Actually Pitbull4 is still in alpha...but it is essentially beta.

Xerokamui · 06/18/09, 6:59 PM

Does anyone know if the Unholy Blight change will work with the free death coil launched from Sudden Doom Procs?

Krom[Fenris] · 06/18/09, 7:18 PM

Originally Posted by Xerokamui

Does anyone know if the Unholy Blight change will work with the free death coil launched from Sudden Doom Procs?

Well we can't know for certain seeing as how the notes are all we've got to go on, but it's reasonable to assume that it will.

Noshei · 06/18/09, 8:28 PM

I like to use Satrina Buff Frames for my buffs and procs. Its got a ton of great options

kyros1 · 06/18/09, 8:33 PM

Nevermind, sorry lol

Elistone · 06/18/09, 8:36 PM

I am setting up my offspec for my deathknight(which is usually an Unholy DPs), i have chosen to do frost spec tanking,

i am hoping to do 10-man and 25-man heroic naxx runs maybe ulduar. but i need to get the gear first,.

This is my spec at moment. Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

What i need help with is, first of all is this a good spec, and glyphs?

and second i am trying to find a good working spell chain to work off of, can anyone help me.

thanks for any help given.

Kashir · 06/18/09, 9:57 PM

The cumulative sum of all those changes is pretty brutal.

I wouldn't worry too much yet. The PTR is for testing and feedback; I strongly suspect that some or all of the nerfs will be reverted or lessened.

Imadraenei · 06/18/09, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Nokturnis

How can i determine if

Sim it.

To give you some perspective, I'd gain 30 AP if I filled out AK, and I've got a mix of Uld10 and Naxx25 gear.

Reihert · 06/19/09, 12:35 AM

I can't see our class being viable to raids with another mana nerf. The new replenishment nerf hurts us way more than what we could get from 12% less mana cost on AB or 1% extra mana for fire.