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Old 10/24/09, 3:29 PM   #9201
Ericmelvin
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Destromath
Originally Posted by JoeCasual View Post
First, big thanks to all those who contribute here.

I'm a little confused on the setting "Use Agi Value for ArPen?" Currently I have this set to no and I'm getting agility with the highest EP value. Why/When would I want to set this to yes, and if I do does that mean ArP is the preferred gem to optimize my dps?

I'm using combat1.3b4 with 3.22 ArP Conversion set to yes. I have several other pieces of ArP gear but the sheet is suggesting what I am using now.

Notes -
My Current Gear Setup
Only use that setting when you are ArP capped. In the majority of cases it should be set to "No".

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Old 10/24/09, 5:07 PM   #9202
Mnemonicabyss
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Baelgun
Originally Posted by Ericmelvin View Post
Only use that setting when you are ArP capped. In the majority of cases it should be set to "No".
Now do you mean ArP soft cap? I'm still unsure as to what the point of this option is since at ArP softcap agility surpasses ArP anyway.

For example right now, im slightly overcap on my sheet with about 730 ArP and agility is roughly 43-44dps per 20agi gem. Meanwhile ArP has dropped to probably around 30-35 due to breaking the soft cap.

Will enabling 'use ArP value for agi' further increase the value of agi?

*edit*
-Just realised Aldriana's post above, i'm clear on this now, thanks.

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Old 10/24/09, 6:54 PM   #9203
jackinthebox
Glass Joe
 
Dwarf Warrior
 
Burning Legion
hey i'm sure it's posted somewhere but i haven't been able to find it, is it better to go with the 21 crit or 21 agi meta, assuming that you put your 10 str 15 stam gem in a socket with 6 str, which would give you 16 str rather than a straight up 20 str, is 21 agi and 4 more str worth taking over the 21 crit from the other meta?

Last edited by jackinthebox : 10/24/09 at 6:59 PM.

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Old 10/24/09, 7:04 PM   #9204
Rainbowbrite
 
Troll Hunter
 
Kazzak (EU)
I have a bit of a problem that im wondering if you people might be able to help me get to the bottom with.

http://lrguild.org/wws/sws-northrend...6411/index.php

http://lrguild.org/wws/sws-northrend...2813/index.php

There's parses from Beasts from two resets, im curious how my DPS can fluctuate so heavily from one week to another, it doesnt really make sense to me, so any tips or advice you people would have to share would be greatly appreciated.

http://lrguild.org/wws/sws-lordjarax...7647/index.php

http://lrguild.org/wws/sws-lordjarax...3485/index.php

Also included for Jaraxxus aswell.

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Old 10/24/09, 7:12 PM   #9205
Xyoi
Banned
 
Gnome Mage
 
Windrunner
^.^

Originally Posted by Psilo View Post
Can we reopen/reestablish the Frost PvE thread in lieu of 3.3 changes?
Sure can - Here it is:
Frost PvE for 3.3

Frost still sucks, and will always suck for PvE

Kthxbye
haha!
^.-

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Old 10/24/09, 8:10 PM   #9206
Dalinah
Glass Joe
 
Human Priest
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Gear scaling-wise, which spec is theoretically the best to enter endgame with?

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Old 10/24/09, 10:03 PM   #9207
keebz
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Death Knight
 
Whisperwind
Originally Posted by jackinthebox View Post
hey i'm sure it's posted somewhere but i haven't been able to find it, is it better to go with the 21 crit or 21 agi meta, assuming that you put your 10 str 15 stam gem in a socket with 6 str, which would give you 16 str rather than a straight up 20 str, is 21 agi and 4 more str worth taking over the 21 crit from the other meta?
If you have a yellow gem slot somewhere in your gear, then pop a Fierce Ametrine (+10 Strength / +10 Haste Rating). You also obviously have at least 1 red gem in the form of +20 strength somewhere in your gear, so that leaves you with the final requirement for the +21 Agility meta-gem, which is 1 blue gem. You can fulfill this requirement simply by using a Nightmare Tear prismatic gem. This is better as you will benefit from the +10 Haste and +10 to all stats more than 2 +15 stamina gems (you should have plenty of health from your gear alone, especially if you are at the point where you are considering a +21 Agility meta-gem).

If you come across another blue slot, you can either put in a +20 strength gem and avoid the slot bonus (especially if its not a +str bonus). You can also pop a +10 str +15 stamina, but the stamina won't help your DPS (you'd need 2 of those to equal 1 bold cardinal ruby [+20 str]).

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Old 10/24/09, 11:33 PM   #9208
ricefrog74
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Auchindoun
Jackinthebox is correct. Assuming you have at least 2 blue sockets (ie: T9 Chest and Weapon) which yields at least 3str, the 10str/15stam with the 21crit meta is better than the 21agi meta.

Last edited by ricefrog74 : 10/24/09 at 11:55 PM.

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Old 10/25/09, 12:56 AM   #9209
Deathtrip
 
Human Death Knight
 
Exodar
Frost/Unholy Ghoul DPS spec

Hey guys, first time I've posted on the forums, but been reading for a while. I'm a blood DK dps spec, and I miss dual wielding. I haven't found a spec where the gear I have will let me do the 3.5k I can do in 2-h blood spec. Anyway... I was messing around with dual wielding yesterday, and made this spec. On heroic training dummies, I usually do about 3k dps, and I did 2.8 with this spec using the Horseman's Baleful Blade and Torment of the banished. If someone could help maybe come up with a rotation, or make this spec better, I'd appreciate it. The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 10/25/09, 1:55 AM   #9210
yuthirin
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Garrosh
Hi, I've been trying to increase my DPS in raids, and I've hit a bit of a wall.

First off, I'd like to know which is more useful to stack as a hunter; Crit rating, haste, or hit rating?

Also, I was curious to know which is better, two one-handed weapons, or one two-handed weapon?

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Old 10/25/09, 2:12 AM   #9211
Alektra
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Shadowmoon
Rupture-less

Im at 4728 Gscore 3513 AP, 232 hit, 31.50 Crit and 26 expertise. I have 423 ARPen non gemmed.

Should I try Rupture-less build and if so does it mess up the clear casting from the t9 set bonus.

Last edited by Alektra : 10/25/09 at 2:27 AM.

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Old 10/25/09, 3:34 AM   #9212
Darkknight5585
Banned
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Vashj

Thanks man.

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Old 10/25/09, 3:59 AM   #9213
Tiberium
Von Kaiser
 
Dwarf Hunter
 
Dragonblight (EU)
Originally Posted by Rainbowbrite View Post
I have a bit of a problem that im wondering if you people might be able to help me get to the bottom with.
To be honest this kind of post is on the very edge of being bannable but lets assume for one minute you legitimately want information as to how to improve. Firstly the week on week difference you quote is negligible and will tell you very little. What you need to do is compare your performance with that of your fellow SV hunter Thino.

When you look at both your logs for 21st October we can derive the answer very simply. You sucked....

He//She managed to outperform on every shot type. Here is the list of ADDITIONAL shots//ticks he managed on the same fight.

Explosive Shot - 10 additional
Auto Shot - 20 additional
Steady Shot - 30 additional
Multi Shot - 30 additional
Serpent Sting - 9 additional ticks
Kill Shot - 1 additional
Black Arrow - 2 additional ticks
Pet Melee - 20 additional
Pet Bite - 16 additional

The one thing that is vastly different is your use of aimed (23 shots) compared to Thino using Multi (33 Shots)

Your Snobald performance was woeful. You were both afflicted by snobald. Your use of Multi was woeful. Your use of Steady was woeful.

Why on earth do you need to bring this to these forums when all the information is there in front of your nose I'm not quite sure. I'm not saying your DPS sucks just your shot count when compared to Thino. If you want higher DPS work on getting your shot counts up....

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Old 10/25/09, 4:01 AM   #9214
Darkknight5585
Banned
 
Blood Elf Hunter
 
Vashj
Ok so what is the "best rotation" out there at the moment for a MM hunter? I am using SS>CS>AS>ArS>Steady Shot as filler. Also I am looking to fix my spec and gear and was wondering if you guys could suggest anything at the moment I am currently at 4% over my hit cap. And I would rather have more ArP or some other beneficial stats. If anyone could help I would greatly appreciate it! The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 10/25/09, 4:11 AM   #9215
dalthezia jenkins
 
Undead Warrior
 
Coilfang
sad to say im in all t9 and still rockin 2.8k in naxx..................

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Old 10/25/09, 6:58 AM   #9216
Malazarr
Banned
 
Troll Rogue
 
Deathwing
Wondering if you could help me Mav. I was spec'd 51.13.7. Had a rogue putting bleed on the heroic target dummy and I was pulling 5k+ dps with agil/crit gems, and 3x zerking 245 gouge, 258 stygian 245 stygian while weap swapping. I'm useing a pretty nice mod I found to weap swap, 8 seconds on, switch back to DP dag to refresh. I re-gemmed full ap/haste x3 mongoose, and respec'd 51.18.2, and my DPS went down, around 4.6k. I use open office and can't use the simsheet for some reason ='( probably something on my end. If you could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated. <3

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Old 10/25/09, 7:39 AM   #9217
Malazarr
Banned
 
Troll Rogue
 
Deathwing
Wondering if you could help me Mav. I was spec'd 51.13.7. Had a rogue putting bleed on the heroic target dummy and I was pulling 5k+ dps with agil/crit gems, and 3x zerking 245 gouge, 258 stygian 245 stygian while weap swapping. I'm useing a pretty nice mod I found to weap swap, 8 seconds on, switch back to DP dag to refresh. I re-gemmed full ap/haste x3 mongoose, and respec'd 51.18.2, and my DPS went down, around 4.6k. I use open office and can't use the simsheet for some reason ='( probably something on my end. If you could point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated. <3

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Old 10/25/09, 9:58 AM   #9218
s1_one
Banned
 
Undead Warlock
 
Jaedenar (EU)
that trinket seems to me the gimped version of IotDS

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Old 10/25/09, 1:54 PM   #9219
elpolloloco
Banned
 
Tauren Death Knight
 
Norgannon
After a lot of gear swaping to try to solve/minimize parry gibing - this is what ive gotten;

The World of Warcraft Armory

there is a 10expertise added to the ring - for whatever reason wowarmoury wouldn't pick up the change.. so up to 41 expertise - lemme know what you think

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Old 10/25/09, 1:54 PM   #9220
Kns
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Ravencrest (EU)
Originally Posted by Alerien View Post
So hoping someone with the trinket can check this for me, or maybe someone with more experience since I wasn't a lock during TBC.

But a fellow guildie brought this up about the SW:P glyph and Ashtongue priest trinket and there's a similar situation for Locks now.

The Ashtongue trinket has no ICD, with the new glyph possibly letting corruption become hasted, does this suddenly make it a viable trinket again?

[Ashtongue Talisman of Shadows] is the item in mind, and I realize this won't be best in slot suddenly, but it could be an interesting option for those picking up an old lock.

Checked all over the internet for an answer to this, but sadly I don't know that I'm quite smart enough to figure this out solo.
That makes absolutely no sense. How on earth would [Ashtongue Talisman of Shadows] beat [Illustration of the Dragon Soul] concidering that the trinket will not have 100% up-time because it DOES have a 20sec ICD.

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Old 10/25/09, 3:26 PM   #9221
Toshio_Duskwood
 
Human Death Knight
 
Duskwood
Please forgive the very noobish question here... My main is a death knight and I have been very spoiled by the summary posts for each spec over in the DK forums, where folks have been kind enough to go back and continually update the original post for the spec as the theorycrafting behind the various specs evolves. (An example here.)

That said, I have a lowbie warrior that I have been considering leveling up and wanted to learn a bit more about the mechanics and specs behind both fury and arms. I was wondering if anyone could point me at any up-to-date summary resources like the fabulous ones in the DK forums? I'm basically looking for summary information behind the two trees, such as "this is the viable spec, this is the rotation, these are the stat weights", etc.

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Old 10/25/09, 7:03 PM   #9222
sqq
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Shattered Halls (EU)
I see some sites rate [Quick King's Amber] higher in DPs than [Runed Cardinal Ruby]. Question being, what atm is the best gem to, well, gem..

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Old 10/25/09, 7:05 PM   #9223
Baervar
Von Kaiser
 
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Undead Warrior
 
Scarshield Legion (EU)
Originally Posted by Fellwraith View Post
Yes, Arp gains effectiveness the more of it you have, all the way up to the cap (whether you have a proc trinket or not). That doesn't mean it's a net dps gain to change all of your gems from str to arp. Depending on your other stats, it will vary as to when arp is better incrementally than str point for point.

Your question is answered by the spreadsheet if you do what I said. If you're gemming for 240 str, you put a -240 in the strength adjustments and a +240 in the arp adjustment columns. It's very easy to determine which is more dps just by looking at the total dps before and after the adjustment.
Thank you

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Old 10/25/09, 7:20 PM   #9224
Gasillio
Von Kaiser
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Kel'Thuzad
Originally Posted by sqq View Post
I see some sites rate [Quick King's Amber] higher in DPs than [Runed Cardinal Ruby]. Question being, what atm is the best gem to, well, gem..
Use Rawr. It's as simple as that.

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Old 10/25/09, 8:22 PM   #9225
Gulpi
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Proudmoore (EU)
Hey, what do you guys think about [Vanquished Clutches of Yogg-Saron]

Should i use it over [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] or [Banner of Victory]?
The Crit chance on it is quite good imho but im not sure about the usefullness of the Tentacle...

Greetings

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