Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 375

Blazingmage · 06/24/09, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by ash2ash

Haste starts getting "wasted" as soon as you reach 50% haste through any combination of buffs or rating due to it no longer affecting global cooldown. This happens quite frequently especially during bloodlust, but since most mage spells have casttimes, it isn't something that you need to be too worried about.

In order for cast time spells to start getting clipped, your haste will have no affect past (cast time-1)*100% haste (ie (3-1)*100% = 200% haste for fireball) due to the spell being limited by a global cooldown. In my experience, the only time you even remotely begin to approach cast time spell caps are during Hodir or Vezax, but I mainly raid with fire/FFB so YMMV with frostbolt/arcane spec.

Keep in mind these numbers have absolutely no practical value. It doesn't account for latency, hotstreak, or other intangibles such as movement.

LB = 12 seconds.

Initial cast followed by 1.5sec GCD = 10.5 seconds of non-gcd limited casttime or 3 fireballs non-hasted.

HF = haste factor from external sources.  These are multipicative. (for instance, 3% ret + 5% from shaman and you have 1.03*1.05 = 1.0815)

X = personal haste rating

GCD time = 1.5/[HF*(1+(X/3279))]

TTC (Time to cast between living bombs) = LB - GCD time

FBCT (Fireball cast time) = 3/(HF*(1+X/3279))

Number of casts (truncate the value) = TTC / FBCT

I'll save you the math. In order to reach the first breakpoint of four fireballs, you need about 132 personal haste with a ret pally + GoA totem - easily attainable in blues. The second breakpoint of five fireballs is about 890 haste rating. There's really no point going further since current gear won't really support any extra fireballs unless you are under the effect of bloodlust.

I made a simple spreadsheet for this (Please check my math, I whipped this up pretty hastily)

There we go, just what I was looking for. Thanks a lot ^^

Korkmaz · 06/24/09, 11:14 AM

Hey, one question.. as Dual Wield.. whats better.. fast or slowly blades? or one fast and one slow blade? pls help i have one Hailstorm

klüger · 06/24/09, 11:32 AM

Problem is that other classes get their dot-crit from talents, and as such its more readily assumed that they get synergy from other talents.

Originally Posted by Mynd

Has anyone had a chance to test whether this is just a tooltip error? I can't believe that blizzard would have just gifted us another 2% hit and it must be either a bug or a tooltip that was hastily changed without thinking.

work on your reading

Originally Posted by Altiris

I think it is safe to assume that iMF and Vengeance both apply to periodic crits on Moonfire. They couldn't have made both our set bonuses crap, and with only 50% crits, this one would be.

*shrug*
its apparent that the 4pc is filler, they can't seriously implement a bonus that is worse then t7 (can they?)
I wouldn't assume either way though apparently the sets are buyable for gold on PTR, so if we could only log in it would be np to find out

Anubisknight · 06/24/09, 12:56 PM

When I try running the Rawr.exe file (after extracting the Rawr zip file), I get the error : "The application failed to initialize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application. Is there anything that I am not doing right?

Thanks.

cremor · 06/24/09, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anubisknight

Is there anything that I am not doing right?

Yes.

You have neither read the Readme.txt, nor used Google, nor used the search function in this thread/forum.

Grik · 06/24/09, 2:32 PM

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

detholusin · 06/24/09, 3:46 PM

What's the verdict on life tap glyph with the duration change in simcraft for full destro with no hit talents? Is it good enough to override the immolate glyph?

iliketurtles · 06/24/09, 3:51 PM

Hey whats going on everbody iam new to this site i read on here all the time. soo my question is about dps rotation as arms ive been arms the majority of the time ive played WoW and always tryed to better myself. Iam in the top guild on my sever on blackwater raiders and just trying to figure out whats the best rotation for warrior's to better myself as a player soo here is wat i do:

rend
MS main priorty
OP when procs
slam after OP
SD

ive gotten alot better on being on top of the meters but if anyone has any other specs or rotations that are better please let me know =)

ty guys appreacite it

Iroared · 06/24/09, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Grik

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

Depends on what trinkets are you using now, bonus from DMC:G should outweigh 2 sockets unless you had something like wrathstone in that slot already. Also, unless your server economy is really screwed up, blacksmithing should be much cheaper to level than nobles deck costs - so the comparison isn't really fair. I think I spent around 2-3K to level blacksmithing and we had pretty inflated prices on ore, like 50g for stack of thorium and 70g for adamantite (I mined most of the adamantite, it takes very little time if you fly around blades edge).

About legs - I would try the speadsheet but it seems that 4-set bonus is a good reason to drop a 226 item for a set piece (especially if it has armor pen on it).

Kurianna · 06/24/09, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by Grik

I have a couple of questions:

First: I was wondering if it would be more worthwhile to spend money on leveling blacksmithing or buy a nobles deck for DMC:G. I would do both if I had the cash, but I just don't. I would be dropping mining, and I already have JC. Keep in mind I would be doing BS for the extra sockets. From what I can calculate, they are not too far apart cost-wise (maybe I'm wrong). Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Second: Is it worth using [Conqueror's Scourgestalker Legguards] to get my 4-set bonus over [Saronite Mesh Legguards]. Assume identical gems/enchants, Surv spec.

Thanks!

I'm SV as well, and have the pants as part of my 4pc (offtier shoulders for now). I broke the set by swapping in the Saronite Mess Leggings, and my dps dropped by 20. I had to change one gem to a Vivid Forest Emerald to keep my hit at capped, do to currently having the 6 hit socket bonus on the tier legs. Now, other stats would affect this, so I would also suggest plugging your specifics in the sheet and testing it before making a decision.

Vysage · 06/24/09, 5:26 PM

Sixthy, I was wondering what mods you use for timing your riptide hots.

*edit: Sorry wrong thread for this, found the right one

Quiter · 06/24/09, 5:44 PM

Sylgian is it possible for u to upload the whole UI u use form the first picture...from ages ago, i liked it ALOT! :p

ElektroFW · 06/24/09, 6:31 PM

Shaman's main tank healing abilities are getting buffed, so I expect to be tank healing all the way (in fact, I am already doing that).
For spot healing, we are out of it once the change for Tidal Waves goes live.

I see myself using riptide, 2xHW ,CH or LHW + riptide, 2xHW and so on. Going with best mana regen gear I have (intellect, mp5 or a mixture of both) to sustain it.

Currently using Glyphs for ES, CH and LHW, will drop LHW for Riptide or some mana regen glyph if that will be needed.

For the mana nerfs I wouldn't be that worried (not for Paladins, not for anyone else), since the new gear is much higher in iLvl (much better stats).

Of course, some testing needs to be done for new hep values.

Info · 06/24/09, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by ElektroFW

Shaman's main tank healing abilities are getting buffed, so I expect to be tank healing all the way (in fact, I am already doing that).
For spot healing, we are out of it once the change for Tidal Waves goes live.

I see myself using riptide, 2xHW ,CH or LHW + riptide, 2xHW and so on. Going with best mana regen gear I have (intellect, mp5 or a mixture of both) to sustain it.

Currently using Glyphs for ES, CH and LHW, will drop LHW for Riptide or some mana regen glyph if that will be needed.

For the mana nerfs I wouldn't be that worried (not for Paladins, not for anyone else), since the new gear is much higher in iLvl (much better stats).

Of course, some testing needs to be done for new hep values.

I'm still not sold on Healing Wave as our go-to tank heal...
I think we'll be much more efficient with LHW rotations and a hasted HW as necessary.
We don't have sustainability to spam HW non-stop to counteract the high-level of boss damage, so we'll need a second healer either way most cases.

Zagortenej · 06/24/09, 6:38 PM

Hey guys,

first time I post, but long time reading this thread, have just one question:

Is T9 coming with 3.2 or not? Asking this to know what to do with my DKP