Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 387

jonish · 11/14/09, 7:53 PM

Originally Posted by Pasch

Edited my post right after posting, sorry. The difference between keeping a normal-hasted SWPain running and a max-hasted SWPain rolling is not as high as you may think, it's only around 600 dps difference (higher if you're a Troll and engineer) if you can manage to keep it with running Heroism/Potion/Black Magic for an ENTIRE FIGHT which is only going to happen in a dream world.

I'll agree with you there , but things like PI , glove tinker , etc have relatively short cooldowns and can be stacked again to increase the SWPain via a hard refresh of the spell. The haste stacking was putting SWPain at or above the damage output of VT with haste stacking. Going from live where SWPain is the lowest output spell we have to the highest output DoT on PTR via haste stacking was a drastic increase. That is gone now. There has to be a compensation somewhere else to give the increase back. The increase we will be getting from the VT and DP haste change is nothing compared to what we truly need , and I would much prefere not waiting until Cataclysm or later(more than likely later) to get these changes.

Pasch · 11/14/09, 8:03 PM

Originally Posted by jonish

I'll agree with you there , but things like PI , glove tinker , etc have relatively short cooldowns and can be stacked again to increase the SWPain via a hard refresh of the spell. The haste stacking was putting SWPain at or above the damage output of VT with haste stacking. Going from live where SWPain is the lowest output spell we have to the highest output DoT on PTR via haste stacking was a drastic increase. That is gone now. There has to be a compensation somewhere else to give the increase back. The increase we will be getting from the VT and DP haste change is nothing compared to what we truly need , and I would much prefere not waiting until Cataclysm or later(more than likely later) to get these changes.

In my opinions it's way, way too much hassle for such a small benefit not to mention you will have to wait for cooldowns to line up to be able to do what you describe, losing additional DPS in the meantime plus you need the various crit-debuffs to be present when you want to stack all your haste. You can also only pot once per fight. We will also see quite a boost in multi-target DPS scenarios due to haste on VT.
I would much rather prefer a correctly working hasted SWPain after having seen some of the fights in ICC and would love to see a change to Mind Blast and/or SWDeath to make them more attractive to cast in T10 gear instead of just spamming Mind Flay.

♦ Kurisu · 11/14/09, 8:31 PM

Originally Posted by bule

The wasp would most likey be wasted because if you have a warr/rogue then you already have an armor reduction debuff. I would go with the wolf for the AP.

The wasp provides the minor armor debuff given by druids/warlocks, you're thinking of the worm sunder/acid spit.

Krasher · 11/14/09, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by Veange

All boss level mobs have ~5% unmitigatable partial spell resistance

Spell penetration - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft

Yeah that's more than I was seeing in any parses where the CoE debuff was not even present, so CoE is definitely a waste of damage dealing spell.

Thank you so much, both of you

The Real Chroi · 11/15/09, 1:05 AM

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the previous 17 pages, but isnt icewqalker as an enchant for boots a bit pointless?
I mean, my hit is too high as it is (339) and I have plenty of crit (51.12%) unbuffed. I have only changed my off-spec to kitty maybe a week ago (Main is resto...dont look me up, you will laugh at my spec) and already have gear that puts me at a lvl where I think the AP would be better than icewalker as an enchant.

Uldaflora · 11/15/09, 1:31 AM

Originally Posted by The Real Chroi

Maybe I missed it somewhere in the previous 17 pages, but isnt icewqalker as an enchant for boots a bit pointless?
I mean, my hit is too high as it is (339) and I have plenty of crit (51.12%) unbuffed. I have only changed my off-spec to kitty maybe a week ago (Main is resto...dont look me up, you will laugh at my spec) and already have gear that puts me at a lvl where I think the AP would be better than icewalker as an enchant.

Agi is better if you are hit capped. But you will probably lose hit if you get better loot, so Icewalker can become later the beter enchant egain.

The Real Chroi · 11/15/09, 1:42 AM

cool. Thanks. I'm guessing that wont be for a while. As I am about 70 over the cap and have almost no chance of getting a token at the moment (Kitty is my OS and still plenty of Guild members who need T9.5 for MS) I will stick with greater assault for now

Teyanna · 11/15/09, 2:08 AM

Ok was under the impression this was a Tanking thread why are we discussing Agi/crit and cat dps. Isnt agi/crit or agi/hate a waste of a socket , Sure Agi provides dodge but at the end of the day considering the ridiculopus configuration on leather peices id be more inclined to think stacking stamina is the only thing to do, Havent found a peice that has any sockte bonus worth sacrifice single straight stats for. Am i missing the bigger picture becuase full Stam gemmed with tier 9 and 25toc gear I still barely scrape 38k hp unbuffed. fully raid im close to 50k yet i hear people saaying 50k is minimum for heroic togc

Guess that what comes from not raiding much. Still any reasonable suggestion on Trimuph gear vs tier gear especially for us Leather wearers Getting pretty tired of seeing hitrating and yellow sockets LOL oh and The triumph badge Trinket for dodge worth it or not worth it ...thoughts plz :-)

Teyanna · 11/15/09, 2:40 AM

Oh sorry let me Clarify what i mean by "Ridiculous configuration" MOst leather peices have either red or yellow sockets (referring to melee dps/tanking) they also have a Buttload of hit , Currenty im sitting at almost 400hit WTF!!! and think i may have 1 socket bonus as Ive gemmed for Stam I sit at about 43% crit as bear so thats more than enough to get procs on Savage defense considering That with the new Skill that alows Ticks of lacerate to crit Its pretty much always up and with The greatness card and mongoose proc almost always up Agi and Crit gems = a huge waste of time for Tanks at any given time my agi sits at 1700 and I was under the impression that the SOFT cap for crity was 55% so gemming for crit as bear IMO is a huge waste of stam.

Question: In BC the tier gear made sense in WOTLK it only half makes sense it seems like they made 90% of leather gear for rogues and as an after though said Meh it should be ok for Druids as well.

Question: Defense has been pretty much made redundant for Bear (givin that you agi is at least moderate) how does one go about choosing a trinket when 95% are made for the broad tank rather than specific tank classes I mean Caster dps and healers get differnt trinkets , Ranged dps and melee dps both benefit from the trinkets yet Tanks all differ slightly with excepotion to pallys and prot warrior who both use shields. Why hasnt blizzard considered makiing tanking trinkets that Cater for Feral druids maybe slightly selfish but Cant help thinking they feel we have enough already.

But I want more.

Feel free to look me up on armory and poke fun at my Origin of nightmares

cant seem to get a decent run on toc 25 and when we do it bugs with fizzle on fecking holiday

Trivsel · 11/15/09, 3:45 AM

My current gear setup is a bit badly weighted between haste and crit i have 24,74% crit and 421 (502 with stone) haste unbuffed. And i have 2943 sp with fel armor. So I have pretty much sp and to little haste and crit is unecessarily high i think.
So my question is:
Should i gem some haste instead of spell power? Will that increase my dps?

Damagejack · 11/15/09, 5:51 AM

Originally Posted by Trivsel

My current gear setup is a bit badly weighted between haste and crit i have 24,74% crit and 421 (502 with stone) haste unbuffed. And i have 2943 sp with fel armor. So I have pretty much sp and to little haste and crit is unecessarily high i think.
So my question is:
Should i gem some haste instead of spell power? Will that increase my dps?

No. It's not. You will never have enough spell power. Also, you're a maxed tailor. Why not have lightweave on your cloak? And as someone said a few posts back, firestone for destro.

Trivsel · 11/15/09, 6:44 AM

Originally Posted by Damagejack

No. It's not. You will never have enough spell power. Also, you're a maxed tailor. Why not have lightweave on your cloak? And as someone said a few posts back, firestone for destro.

I just recently switched from lightweave but i might change it back.
I use spellstone becouse, in my opinion i lack haste and have plenty of crit already.

Moonqlow · 11/15/09, 8:25 AM

hello my fellow druids,

Il first start of introducing myself im Moonqlow. Ive been playing moonkin since start of Karazhan days(healing was no longer my thing.) I had great fun in TBC dpsing my way through SSC-TK-BT-MH - sunwell. Most of that time i used to do reasonable dps and checked so called "dps forums or moonkin forums" not that often.

When Wotlk came that changed and i started to look more serieus to ways to increase my dps. All through naxx-eoe-sarth most thing went fine. Untill i came to ulduar and my dps just starting falling more and more back to my guildmates. I quitted the game due to feeling i couldnt add anything helpfull to the guild with my "medicore dps" and the fact that my pc after beeing able to play wow for all those years finnaly decided it was enough. (playing with 4fps ftw :P)

About a month ago i came back again having bought a new pc i hoped it would boost my dps and play style with finnaly beeing to see wow again with all settings at max and not at the bottom. So i boosted myself back in the game and got myself close to my guilds progress lvl again.

Ok now this is done i never been the best at these wrathcalc things or dpsspreadsheets so ive been just reading things what other ppl write and trying to make the best out of it.

But now comes my question dont know if u can see my armory by clicking my name etc on the leftside but if im not mistaking im currently both soft haste capped (406haste) and crit capped using 2x T8 (28.41% and with MF idol 32%)
So now i was wondering what to go for now to increase my dps. I know probably the same stats and more spelpower would be best.

But i was just wondering what u guys do or would do i my position going 4x 258? (not a real option yet we didnt downed anub HM yet so will take ages before i can even get close to that) go for haste? but wont that mess up wrath spam during solar eclipse? or perhaps more crit? but that beeing totally useless for starfire our main dps nuke?(cause beeing capped alrdy in a raid)

I hope someone can help me out on this one cause im stuck

i always check these forums daily and keep up the good work for us moonkins that dont got the power/knowledge to do all this theory crafting themselfs

The World of Warcraft Armory

KFC

Shock3r · 11/15/09, 8:27 AM

We use firestone because of the damage increase, not for the crit.

Allport · 11/15/09, 9:03 AM

Just a quick question. According to RawR i should max out dps around 6.2k dps with my current gear build. However during 10 man H ToC i average between 6.4k and 7.2k with 6.8k being the actual average (i understand 800 dps difference is large but i can only assume proc's at good times can account for it as well as if i get targeted by Anub on phase 2). In a fight such as Koralon i have maxed out at 7.2k but average 6.5k. So my questions are, first does RawR just play it safe, and second after checking my gear is my dps output acceptable?

I am Arms of course. Also to be honest i run with two feral tanks and although i know it's not right i do not keep sunder's up.

joebing · 11/15/09, 11:46 AM

Hey guys, i was wondering if someone could help me figure out the math for this. I currently have [Reign of the Dead] (non heroic version) the triumph badge trinket [Shard of the Crystal Heart] in my bank i have [Fetish of Volatile Power] and [Dying Curse]

Now, i was thinking unlike my combination now, is it more beneficial to dying curse proc? I'm not exactly sure how to calculate the dps for the trinket uses. Basically its the difference of 512 for 20 seconds every 2 minutes or so vs 765 spell power for 10 seconds every 50 seconds or so. Now, what discourages me from doing this is dying curse will proc at times where i dont need it, so using a proc myself based on knowledge of the fight seems much better. Though, it seems the dying curse proc is more dps gain. Especially if rng allows it on blood lust. I'd like some thoughts

Also, i believe if i was to gain one more peice of hit gear, it would be beneficial to use Fetish of Volatile Fail.

If anyone wants to give a quick response you can PM me or answer on here. I have a hard time doing the trinket math, idk why. I think i do it right however, it seems off in my head as i look at it.

Beryal · 11/15/09, 1:14 PM

Hello, i wannna ask why do you think that for MM is better glyph of serpent sting also if our chimera shot refreshes it automatically. I suppose that increased damege done by serpent doesn't boost also the damage of chimera because we have to cast it always when available...Thanks...i will wait for an answer

foopeemoa · 11/15/09, 1:41 PM

Does anyone know how the gear itemization change will occur with Cataclysm? Blizzard has previously said they were going to simplify stats on gear, removing AP from gear and having classes get that from Str/Agi. My concern is, if I continue to pick up some items with Agi/AP from Icecrown Citadel, will these items suddenly become useless a few months later if they do a blanket gear re-itemization like they did with healing/spellpower? I haven't see any clarification on how they were planning on handling that change, and it obviously may influence gearing decisions if some "BiS" items from ICC become useless a few months down the road.

petedelunde · 11/15/09, 1:47 PM

I have 31 Exp and couldn't see myself without it. I try to always keep exp in mind when new gear drops but by no means put it above other stats. I simply find gems are great for this stat cause diminishing returns on dodge makes dodge/stam gem less appealing. With 29.38% dodge gems dont give enough. I also come up short on hit with current ToC gear so yellow slots are great hit/exp gems. I was a hardcore raider in vanilla and TBC but recently 5 RL friends started playing and not all are ready for a hardcore guild. I find myself doing a lot of things dif then other tanks simply to pick up slack of players less accustomed to raiding. Solo tanking most fight Like twins, jaraxxas, beasts in 25 and anub arak in 10 man is very easy with the amount of threat high exp allows. TClap Sw Cleave spam while keeping up reg tanking rotation allows me to AoE tank as well if not better then any other classes.

karloz · 11/15/09, 1:56 PM

Originally Posted by Beryal

Hello, i wannna ask why do you think that for MM is better glyph of serpent sting also if our chimera shot refreshes it automatically. I suppose that increased damege done by serpent doesn't boost also the damage of chimera because we have to cast it always when available...Thanks...i will wait for an answer

it has been already stated sometime before that the chimera shot doesnt checks for how much damage has done so far but how much damage it will do so if the SS last longer it will do more damage ergo the chimera will hit for more correct me if im wrong

Kelondra · 11/15/09, 2:36 PM

After reading this thread for quite some time, i ran across Arawethion's signature.

Answers to Moonkin questions:
0) Read the TTT/use the spreadsheet: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t66856-moonkin_pve_dps/
1) Maintain high DoT uptime. Use WiseEclipse.
2) Nothing beats 2T8.
3) Yes, sometimes you cast many Wraths and no Eclipse procs. Deal with it.

especially 3) made my day!

thanks a lot!

Ruqas · 11/15/09, 3:22 PM

My question is actualy specifically directed towards Mavanas for various reasons. Why are you using Relentless Strikes in your Mut build instead of Opportunity?

gwaust · 11/15/09, 4:01 PM

I'm coming back to WoW after a decent break and am thinking of playing my Warlock. My question is, in regards to the current state of the game, where do you guys place Warlocks? I'm looking for your personal opinions here on fun factor and just straight up playability aswell for solo/leveling up and group play in 5/10/25 mans. If you have some thoughts on were the class sits in DPS aswell that'd be helpfull.

I hope this fits the simple question thread, I didnt want to make a seperate one for this and no other threads were really for what I was looking for.

Asperon · 11/15/09, 5:34 PM

I have a blood dk dps with what i believe decent gear though i have not caped the expertise rating.
I use this rotation: PS>IS>DS>HS>HS>DC(DUMP) and then repeat.
It seems i can't do proper dps comparing to my gear. I do around 3.5~3.8k dps buffed.

Any ideas on how to deal better dps? You can check my character here: The World of Warcraft Armory

I would appretiate an advice or two.

Lockkster · 11/15/09, 7:16 PM

I can confirm this is indeed true. Getting around 40 more corruption ticks during 300 seconds if i refresh it when i get eradication and about 60 more if i do it with eradication+potion of speed. Guess it won't work with heroism since its a cast time reduction instead of a flat out haste buff.