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Old 07/04/09, 9:51 AM   #5896
Omidin
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Paladin
 
Outland (EU)
Hey night, could you take a look at my post in the previous page? I've had some nasty compiling issue that I just cant seem to work out.

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Old 07/04/09, 10:27 AM   #5897
pHishr
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Druid
 
Kul Tiras (EU)
Originally Posted by Tebla View Post
Like I said, I took the Grid settings from Supplicum's UI and I really like the look of them. I haven't decided if I am going to keep them or start from scratch. Horizontally depleting health probably would fit better with the overall design. I wanted it to get to the neat stage and then work on pretty.

One of the things I am looking to do now is bring the whole UI together with better continuity. I have made the two panels on the bottom corners equal now and brought omen next to recount. I am looking up how to make the panel on the right only appear when I am in a party or raid and use the space for a tracker panel when solo. Here is today's change. I am still not happy with it, especially since I still have Omen disappearing out of combat and there is a blank area there.

It's getting there, though.
Come on, use direct links!

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Old 07/04/09, 12:03 PM   #5898
homie2582
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Ghostlands (EU)
I have a question: what is the best talent tree for hunters who want to do the best dps ? can someone send me a link to that talent tree ? and also the best talent tree for a wolf ?

thx

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Old 07/04/09, 1:17 PM   #5899
Waddy
Banned
 
Human Death Knight
 
Moonrunner
Originally Posted by Astalion View Post
A spec I haven't seen posted that seems to be competitive is this: 10/54/7.
Best options seem to be using BP, FC/RI (RI seems to be far superior to FC, especially with the increase to 10%), and SoA (quick simulation showed a large (~175 dps) difference in favor of SoA, no comparison made with the new Sigil yet)

I've been running my simulations on a modified version of Kahorie's simulator (added information I could find in this thread such as sigils not being affected by the offhand penalty, runes only being consumed on main hand hits, razorice stacking up to 10%, and just now (aka after most of my testing) the 15% increase to disease damage and SotVH nerf). I also added the hit from Heroic Presence, which might affect gear choices but hopefully (likely) not much else. (Simulations with the BiS gear below ended up at around 6.9k dps, but keep in mind that most of the changes I made to the simulator lead to increased DPS (but more accurate) values compared to others' simulations, and as such you probably should run your own simulations on this if you want some numbers for comparison)

Original tests were done using my own DKs T7/T7.5 gear, but from further testing it seems to scale properly with T8 BiS gear as well.
BiS Gear stats used for those interested: Str: 1426, Agi: 245, Int: 46, Arm: 14291, Hit: 177, Crit: 752, Haste: 255, Arp: 160, Exp: 179, OH/MH: 178.9dps/2.7s, 4p T8
Yes, the hit is kinda low, but from EP calcs it actually doesn't seem to be that important (melee hit cap being a lot lower due to NoCS, and relatively few spells used)
LootRank listing (EP values derived from the T7 gear, being below spellhit cap. Above the spellhit cap the value of Hit falls to roughly 0.77 (or 77 with AP set as 100, but lootrank isn't a fan of big numbers :P). Note: Kahorie's calculations seemed a bit dodgy regarding weapon dps and weapon speed EPs, so I made some calculations of my own which halved the listed value of MH weapon dps, but makes more sense matematically, unless I missed something :P)


Priority used was: FF > BP > OB > BS > FS > Rime
With the T8 4P bonus moving BS above OB seemed to give a few (<10) DPS increase from a few short tests (2*24h simulations on each), and with proper estimation of free GCDs (taking into account Rime procs and such) it might be a worthwhile tactic for maximising DPS, but doesn't really seem worth the hassle in my opinion.

I also did some tests using Glyph of Disease instead of Glyph of Blood Strike, and it seems to be a DPS loss of about ~40, but still being better than using any other Glyph. (Note: The simulator's priority system doesn't take full advantage of this Glyph, and has to reapply disease with PS/IT fairly often even with it. In practice Glyph of Disease might actually be superior)

As for the Blood Strike Glyph, if you need to get Chillblains (did we get confirmation on whether this actually worked on bosses?) the best point to move seems to be UA (Though I once again wonder if this is something the simulator uses properly, and you might want to have both a dps and a survival cooldown for various bosses, in which case you probably want to move a point from Black Ice instead (didn't test that extensively though))

Hopefully this will help narrow down some of the questions in the OP and possibly help decide the spec to use in 3.2.

Actually I came up with the spec about a week ago or so but my post was deleted because I didn't follow it with simulator data.

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Old 07/04/09, 4:18 PM   #5900
bobxii
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Tauren Shaman
 
Medivh
Well, nothing they can do to boost PvE survivability is going to affect shaman representation in arenas; the class in general is broken to begin with, the problem being that the effectiveness of the character is too easily shut down - something a PvE fix is not going to affect. Another discussion, perhaps.

However, it isn't terribly difficult to revamp enhancement's upper-tier talents to WotLK-level effectiveness (as many other classes got) - which hasn't happened because likely the developers responsible for it have a different mindset into how talents should work for shaman (just speculation, but isn't it odd how all but the very latest-changed enhancement talents are single-function, whereas the elemental / resto talents are nearly all multi-functional?). The simplest fix with zero effect outside of enhancement would be to add 20% extra HP to the Weapon Mastery talent. Tada, fixed.

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Old 07/04/09, 4:30 PM   #5901
Cattlecltsms
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Tichondrius
Heya-- i have an arms warrior with great pre uld gea rhttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Tichondrius&n=Cattleclysm. But for months now, i have had such terrible DPS, i recently found a new rotation which is rend>OP>MS>execute>slam, provided by uglygreens post a while back. This has helped significantly with my DPS, but with the gear i have equipped, i should be doing close to 5k on boss fights, but instead doing 3400-4100 DPS. Maybe its in the rotation, gear/stats/gems?

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Old 07/04/09, 5:58 PM   #5902
Cattlecltsms
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Tichondrius
Heya-- i have an arms warrior with great pre uld gear The World of Warcraft Armory. But for months now, i have had such terrible DPS, i recently found a new rotation which is rend>OP>MS>execute>slam, provided by uglygreens post a while back. This has helped significantly with my DPS, but with the gear i have equipped, i should be doing close to 5k on boss fights, but instead doing 3400-4100 DPS. Maybe its in the rotation, gear/stats/gems?

Stats--
Damage:1507-1830
AP: 3359
Hit: 290
Crit: 37.67%
Expertise: 23
Str: 824

Last edited by Cattlecltsms : 07/04/09 at 6:03 PM.

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Old 07/04/09, 6:14 PM   #5903
[sean.awesome]
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Human Warrior
 
Draka
@ the above post

personally i use OP>Execute>MS>Slam! and only use sudden death procs when i have the full 30 rage for it which usually crits for about 6.8k and Slam! only when everything is on CD and im above 40 rage. ur gear seems fine it might just be your rotation and how tight it is. i hit about 5k on XT 10 man using this and about 7.1k on thaddius and your gear is slightly better than mine The World of Warcraft Armory i use bartender and ive made a small bar right under my icehud that shows me when my op, ms, execute, bs, and all my other abilities are on cd and are available and it has helped me keep my rotations tight.

Last edited by [sean.awesome] : 07/04/09 at 6:15 PM. Reason: forgot to whom im replying

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Old 07/04/09, 6:49 PM   #5904
Cattlecltsms
 
Tauren Warrior
 
Tichondrius
Yea, just a matter of finding a good legit rotation-- ill try yours out and see what the results come to.
Thanks

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Old 07/04/09, 7:06 PM   #5905
Mingz
 
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Blood Elf Paladin
 
Executus
Originally Posted by Minifridge View Post


Current WIP.

Addons:

Pitbull4
KgPanels
Chatter
Dominos (Rothar ButtonFacade skin)
Chinchilla
SatrinaBufFrames

UF placement inspired by Winco's UI.


I'll be uploading as soon as I work out a few more bells and whistles and fixing some errors.

C+C welcome
Just wondering, did you ever end up finishing this UI?

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Old 07/04/09, 7:09 PM   #5906
bule
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Borean Tundra
Awesome, very useful! Numbers from what i see are quite accurate, from spreadsheet and recount etc.

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Old 07/04/09, 11:03 PM   #5907
zang1983
Von Kaiser
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Aszune (EU)
I'm missing a dps enchants list.

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Old 07/04/09, 11:14 PM   #5908
Jetador
 
Orc Shaman
 
Staghelm
I am an enhance Shaman ( you can view my gear The World of Warcraft Armory )

I just got [Bloodcrush Cudgel] which is a 1.5 Speed mace from Ulduar Trash.

I am currently using Angry Dread in Off-Hand.. ( [Angry Dread] ) which is 2.50 Speed mace.

I am sure these questions get asked all the time but is the stat / dps boost on the Ulduar wep worth losing the speed rating?

Thx guys. Sorry for such a newb question

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Old 07/04/09, 11:25 PM   #5909
Trollpriest
Glass Joe
 
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Dwarf Shaman
 
Barthilas
Originally Posted by Jetador View Post
I am an enhance Shaman ( you can view my gear The World of Warcraft Armory )

I just got [Bloodcrush Cudgel]1.5 Speed mace
Short Answer; No.

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Old 07/04/09, 11:28 PM   #5910
Iru
Don Flamenco
 
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Draenei Hunter
 
Muradin
I suggest looking at the Raiding Hunter Information and FAQ thread

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