Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 398

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 6:10 PM

Originally Posted by Peaseblossom

My guild finally scored our Val'anyr last night; thanks to everyone in this thread for help with the process of getting it.

We went with leaving Mimiron out, since it seemed to be the prevailing wisdom, even though phase 2 was the only phase that gave us any difficulty when we were learning Yogg in the first place. And it was nothing. Our kill was actually a much cleaner attempt than any of our Yogg+4 kills -- maybe it was just a matter of people being extra-focused. At any rate, certainly for anyone approaching this with ToC gear, one Keeper doesn't make much of a difference at all.

Gtz.
My guild's on their way to scoop one also
;]

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 6:18 PM

Originally Posted by Scorpidlight

My 3's comp has changed again and due to my inexperience in arena I'm compelled to ask another question or two.

My comp is now Disc/Ele/Ret. We can put out some amazing burst, and recently we've decided to just bum-rush the healer. No idea if that's a good strategy or not, but it seems to have about a 75% success rate.
Our biggest problem comes when we fight (good) lock/disc/* or any melee heavy teams that train our shammy. I was wondering if speccing 2/2 Vindication would help as I think it reduces over 1k ap and would help slow their burst attempt, since we don't have a hamstring-esk move.
Against lock/disc/* teams (asterisk is for w/e) I've tried using SoJ on the warlock and we've tried to burn it down while I focus repentance on the priest/fearbomb/hex. So far no go. Is there anything worth specing for that would help against these comps, or can I just ask for general advice here? Would specing differently be too situational?
We seem to do fine if the other team focuses on me or my disc priest first, but if they hit our ele shaman - it's usually game over. HoP only does so much, and even with pain suppression it only takes the slightest bit of coordinated cc to down him.
Lastly, with my comp, could you recommend any changes to my spec? I was specced for imp HoJ and was informed last night by a full relentless pally buddy of mine that it wasn't worth the points, so I respecced 7/13/51.
Here's my armory profile Scorpidlight Armory
Due to some recent losses, I'm wondering if it's me messing things up for our team, or if it's just my gear (yeah I know ironsoul sucks, and honestly I feel it's one of the biggest problems with my gear). If possible, it'd be great if I could ask for some general advice on the whole of my character. (wrong libram is equipped atm, I normally swap to seal specific.) My main point for all this questioning is I want to make sure I'm doing all I can for my team.

Thank you very much for your time!
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Did some testing on the PTR with a premade character - it does seem to be that my weapon is the biggest drawback to my gear. Well, that and about 1k ap. However, through my testing, I also noted it wasn't really our strategy that was lacking, it seems to be more my gear level. I would still appreciate any advice that can be given on the subject, as I would like to learn all I can. Also, SoCor seems to be especially useful on healers (ones that don't cleanse themselves) combined with [Libram of Valiance]. After 5 stacks, I have manged to burst down a disc priest (with well timed HoJ of course).

Looks like I need to run 25m toc for the [Dual-Blade Butcher].

i was about to ask about your weapon, but then i saw your edit.
Good luck getting your weapon, it was a pain for me.

ethannzz · 11/22/09, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lactose

#showtooltip
/cast [target=player] Master's Call
/petdefensive
/stopmacro [modifier]
/petpassive

Haven't tested in-game, but syntax should work. Without a modifier (shift, ctrl or alt), it will run through the entire macro, with petpassive being set last.
With a modifier, it should stop running the macro after setting it to petdefensive.

This looks about right.
But what im not understanding is, why choose a hunter if you are looking for limited keybinds?

Sonho · 11/22/09, 6:53 PM

Extrem noob quest:
As a combat rogue Fist - dagger , no swapping. Wich is the basic cycle? Evis only cycle that is, and keep SnD up ?

sadkiller · 11/22/09, 7:03 PM

hey mates i read many articles and i see im kinda out on hit rate but isnt the hit rate 186 for arms ?
and about the gear here is my gear from armory

The World of Warcraft Armory

about the rotation i charge rend /ms / SD ,,OP " when they proc"/ when everything on CD i use slam or the bladestorm

sometimes i hit easly 4500 and others i stuck at 3250 i dont know wats wrong... about my sword enchant im getting a berserker for sure but i was out of gold recently and i got the new t9 chest from badges item lvl 232 and the ony 10 man helm i wanna put strength gems on them unless u advice me of cri and armor pent. and im thinkin to get the hit rate trinket from badges since its give 128 hit rate and mix it with ony quest item reward neckless

im lost i need an advices here :S plz assist me i wanna hit constant 5k ++

Deus_Phasmatis · 11/22/09, 7:27 PM

You need 8% hit, not 5% (5% if for PvP, not PvE). That's 263 Hit, so gear/gem for it (it really is that good). ArP should be better than Str for you, so gem for ArP over Str (though putting a 10Str/10Crit gem in to get a socket bonus isn't terrible). Other than that, work on getting better gear.

Orcus · 11/22/09, 7:37 PM

I have a question. Which Glyph is better, Glyph of Lava, or Glyph of Totem of Wraith. I was wondering which one is better and why?

silverinches · 11/22/09, 8:35 PM

hi guys, just a simple question to ask:

Is clearing 4 stacks of Arcane Blasts with unhasted AM (without MBarr) better dps and dbm than clearing with A.Barr?

Is it advisable to continue Arcane Blasting after your 4th one to fish for a lucky M.Barr procc, mana-wise?

I know this question has been raised and answered in one of past posts but i just cant find it! >.<

thanks!

Man of Glass · 11/22/09, 9:23 PM

So, this might have been asked already, but if there ARE Diminishing Returns on Deep Freeze in Arenas, would Deep Freeze do this damage to an enemy if they've become immune.

Boondok · 11/22/09, 9:41 PM

Bear in mind that Flame Shock glyph is the same as 2 x T8 bonus (aka – crits), and that Lava burst no longer consumes anything.

I do not yet have 2 x Tier 8 what glyphs should I go for?
- Lightning Bolt
- Flame Shock
- ToW

I now have 2 x Tier 8 what should I do?
- Lightning Bolt
- ToW
- Lava

I replaced my Tier 8 with other items I still don’t have Tier 9, what should I do?
- Lightning Bolt
- Flame Shock
- ToW

I have 2 x Tier 9 now, any changes to my glyphs?
- Lightning Bolt
- Flame Shock
- ToW

I now have 4 x Tier 9, do you think I should change? (congrats)
- Lightning Bolt
- Flame Shock
- Lava *

*Some people are still suggesting ToW instead of Lava, but at the gear level of 4 x Tier 9, EJ have suggested using Lava since the 4 x Tier 9 bonus will give you more DPS, especially on fights where you are mobile and so more likely to cast LvB over your constant stream of Lightning Bolts.

Copy pasted from one of the other elemental threads. The search tool is fairly amazing.

Meccatorque · 11/22/09, 9:45 PM

What is the EP value for Expertise, and how would i find it? Im not capped, but hit is capped.

Clorixi · 11/22/09, 9:52 PM

I have a question:

I don't raid 25 mans, and my guild doesn't do very well in 10 mans, so I was wondering if the 4 piece tier 9 would actually do me as much good as leaving the 8.5 on and using my Onyxia helm. Considering that we aren't past Ulduar (and because the raid leader wants to see "content" we aren't going to other things other than ony), I'm trying to figure out ways to maximize my dps while still juggling gear for tanking.

EDIT: The reason I ask is because if I get the 4pt9 it'll drop me below below hit cap, and I didn't think it'd help me to have to gem or enchant for hit if I'm doing that for an upgrade.

Cabrian · 11/22/09, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by Man of Glass

So, this might have been asked already, but if there ARE Diminishing Returns on Deep Freeze in Arenas, would Deep Freeze do this damage to an enemy if they've become immune.

• Deep Freeze: This spell now deals a large amount of damage to targets permanently immune to stuns.

Shindaustin · 11/22/09, 10:04 PM

Im looking at other hunters and ive noticed they all have gone different ways with this..

i have 82 Triump badges and 1 trophy.
Should i get a helm or Chest first since the new instance/patch should be coming out soon?

by the way my armory is: The World of Warcraft Armory

Madkappa · 11/22/09, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by ghepip

The stats are out for the first two versions of tier 10
and there will not BE any spirit on the caster dps gear since it will be useless after the patch. they are making the gear ready for cataclysm. so don't pray for much spirit.

Which is why there's no Armor Penetration on gear, right?

We may not know whether or not the stats on t10 are final, but it's not Cataclysm, so they're not making Cataclysm gear just yet.

Iru · 11/22/09, 11:32 PM

my answer would be neither: replace your gloves instead. As you're not going to get the t4 bonus yet anyway, the gloves represent a bigger overall stats improvement

middleman · 11/23/09, 12:58 AM

A friend of mine is having trouble with his dps, struggling to break 3k (single target) but he has the gear to do better so I'm thinking its his rotation.

would I be right in saying :
always keep rend up, use OP whenever u can, MS when its off CD, execute when its procs?

also when everything is on CD or a proc isn't up, would you use HS or slam ( has improved slam, doesn't have incite)

And for single target, should u be using Bladestorm? because Ive heard people both saying yes and no

Anik · 11/23/09, 1:40 AM

Originally Posted by Pressure

The hit rating needed not to miss specials is 164 (5% with 3/3 precision).
However the hit rating needed not to miss white swings is much higher.
I was missing 12% of my normal melee attacks at 174 hit on a heroic target dummy ...this reduced to 5% miss when I had about 300 hit.
Anyone know the hit rating not to miss normal swings?
The reason for asking this: at 300 hit rating I had about 100 dps increase than over 174 hit rating.

820, but you're wasting your time. Sure the occasional white miss streak sucks, but the stats you'd be foregoing to get that much hit would destroy your dps.

Hamano · 11/23/09, 4:28 AM

Originally Posted by orion121

I would imagine [Ember Skyflare Diamond] to be the weapon of choice should you decide regen is in no way an issue. Also [Mystical Skyfire Diamond] may be worth looking at, however you are generally better off to make different gear choices and resume using Insightful as it does provide the most benefit for the slot.

Good luck getting more blue than yellow gems.

I'm personally going to stick with IED, I ignore most set bonusses because I value spellpower very low, so I won't have 3 red gems.

stryker2 · 11/23/09, 4:57 AM

I am looking for a good mage spreadsheet to input items and talents so that I may play with damage rotation possibilities. If any one knows any I would love a link.

Grato · 11/23/09, 5:24 AM

Firstly, thanks for the hasty response!

Originally Posted by Daboran

Well, we've just had a discussion on gems over the last few posts.

Mostly, my previous post was more of a scepticism against Rawr's gemming policy rather than just talking generally about gemming.
And as for my part, the doubts of mine we're apparently perfectly justifiable!

Originally Posted by Daboran

Stam vs Agi
You rule of thumb should always be to have enough HP to survive a worst-case string of attacks by a boss. After this it's down to personal preference.

This is just what I wanted to hear. Now I'm free to breath freely once again!
As I've done some "further" research of the topic itself, seems like it's the generally acknowledged basic reality of bear tanks at the moment - just like you, Deboran stated. Thank you for this.

And as for the gemming itself. I had completely forgot about Nightmare Tear and this is what I'm going to utilise in the near future, if some socket bonuses seem reasonable!

After all this, the conclusion I should make, is that I should mostly listen to my gut and not so much some spreadsheets or calculators.

Over and out.

zaiats_2k · 11/23/09, 6:25 AM

Originally Posted by Grato

Mostly, my previous post was more of a scepticism against Rawr's gemming policy rather than just talking generally about gemming.
And as for my part, the doubts of mine we're apparently perfectly justifiable!

Try to play with 'Survival Soft Cap' setting and you'll understand why Rawr prefers agi and def gems after certain point.

Darknessss · 11/23/09, 6:29 AM

I was wondering, the t9 set doesn't have a lot of haste.
The only two pieces worth to be used are, in my opinion, hands and legs.
The other 2 pieces which are worth to be considered are the shoulders and the head.
In both those 2 slots there are better pieces (the two purchasable with the emblems) but by buying them we lose the 4p t9 bonus.
In your opinion, does the 4p t9 bonus compensate the loss of dps considering that the bonus only gives a 10% increase damage to Immolate?

Pasture · 11/23/09, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by Man of Glass

So, this might have been asked already, but if there ARE Diminishing Returns on Deep Freeze in Arenas, would Deep Freeze do this damage to an enemy if they've become immune.

It's only permanently immune targets so temporary immunity doesn't count. They're not silly enough to hand Frost mages, who are already complained about in Arenas as being too good, a 20k nuke.

That said, I'd be surprised if, in typical mage comps, you could activate DR in time for Deep Freeze.

awain · 11/23/09, 9:40 AM

My simple question:

I've decided to make a DK with the primary aim of tanking from day one. I continually read conflicting info as to the best spec and glyph and weapon combo, so:

For tanking (talking for now up to main tanking the easier raids), what build is best, what glyphs go with it and is it 2h or DW?

Thank you.