Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 401

H4NT3R · 07/08/09, 3:06 AM

Hi, on my hunter, The World of Warcraft Armory, i swiched all of my agility gems to armor pen. On some fights my dps seems much higher and on others it drops to worse it was before i swiched and took arcane out of my rotation. I currently dont have a trinket with an armor pen proc but my armor pen is 54% unbuffed, was the swich worth it or is my dps worse than it was before?
Im worried that if i get my 4 piece, just need chest, that i will lose so much armor pen from legs and gloves that it wont be worth it to gem arp? what do you all amazing theorycrafting hunters think!

aya · 07/08/09, 3:13 AM

There isn't really any reason for current Blood to use Obliterate over Death Strike. The biggest reason for this is (like you mentioned) lack of Obliterate in Might of Morgraine. Even if and when Obliteterate boasts 3% higher critrate than Death Strike (Subversion vs. Improved Death Strike), the scaling of Oblitarate falls behind DS by fairly lot due to MoM's critical strike bonus being exclusive to DS.

Trying really hard to figure benefits for using Obliterate, I suppose you could conjure up a frost-oriented Blood build which, thanks to chill of the grave, builds a little bit more runic power than the normal 51/0/20 -build. The loss of damage over the standard build would of course be substantial, but if you for some reason wanted to be able to use more Deathcoils (in a build that's tied down in GCDs), I guess I could see someone trying to follow this flawed thinking.

Neruse · 07/08/09, 4:08 AM

Quick question about Rake. Is it possible that the PTR is merely a wording update? If you check out the Effect #2 of Rake on Wowhead (non-PTR version), it already says "19 to 25 every 3 seconds".

Rake - Spell - World of Warcraft

Edit: Also, Shandara's spreadsheet currently uses a base damage of 19-25 for the 3 second ticks.

Direheart · 07/08/09, 4:32 AM

Originally Posted by emptyrepublic

I got wind of some new trend (if it is really a trend) in DK Blood DPS today while tanking a heroic. The DK DPS with me was speced Blood (I verified this with Recount seeing that they were using Heart Strike) but glyphed for Obliterate and using that ability as their Frost+Unholy ability in their rotation.

Was this on live or the PTR? Because on the PTR at present the new sigil affects OB (and SS) but not DS. I find it unlikely to remain this way but I can see why someone would be trying this sort of rotation under the circumstances.

pindle · 07/08/09, 5:10 AM

Originally Posted by Direheart

Was this on live or the PTR? Because on the PTR at present the new sigil affects OB (and SS) but not DS. I find it unlikely to remain this way but I can see why someone would be trying this sort of rotation under the circumstances.

Another possibility is he saw a ex-retired DK with the older blood spec (51/13/7).

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Beachwanderer · 07/08/09, 10:46 AM

The most recent spreadsheet is now modeling the ArP MM build differently then before. I understand some changes have been made to the spreadsheet to get more accurate results, but the ArP window has changed. In my gear set, which is almost as good as you can get for this MM style pre-algalon, I am seeing a DPS loss per point of ArP when I get to 549 ArP and above. All of the past analysis showed 569 was the pinnacle. Can any one explain why this has changed by 20 points?

This following is with Arp @ 572 - 24 (hand adjust) = 548, @ 549 ArP falls below Agility per point.

Agility + 1 1.521
ArP Rating+1 1.525

♦ Goatbert · 07/08/09, 10:55 AM

I'm pretty excited, I have 7 68+ alts I need to get to 80 still.

Oh god I'm a monster.

koetjeka · 07/08/09, 11:13 AM

Hey Dankz, beautifull UI you have! I'm going to base my new UI on yours. A few questions:

-What mod do you use for the white borders around everything?
-What mod do you use for those small things at the bottom (time, fps, lag)
-What mod do you use for the awesome looking mini map?

Thanks in advance!

Vazu · 07/08/09, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by mark182ass

right now as a resto druid, i have no problem healing. rejuv, regrowth, nourish and wild growth are really good for healing. swiftmend and natures swiftness healing touch, make druids great healers. the problem is that life bloom doesnt really fit into the rotation like it use to. i understand the change so rolling 3 lifeblooms isnt as good as it use to be, but i have healed 25 man content without using lifebloom at all. the problem is that lifebloom takes so much more mana then the other hots and the refund isnt that great that it has worked its way out of the healing rotation. lifebloom use to be what druids needed to roll, and now it is "optional". rolling lifebloom added a type of strat to the druid rotation, lifebloom still can be usefull to druids with enough mana regen to afford to roll and stack it, but most druids will go without it due to it costing too much mana to keep it up without mana problems. the mana return is nice, but most times i use it is when i clearcast so i get the free mana back but it is still a mana hog and using it to roll lifebloom will just kill mana. lifebloom needs to be altered so it can fit into a resto druids healing rotation more then just an optional heal.

This has been written and discussed about 10000x in this thread. What new information are you bringing to the table?

prime311 · 07/08/09, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

Maybe I should've phrased that differently.

The Gear Planner's "Ranged Weapons" button just tries all the weapons in your ranged slot one by one. It doesn't actually put in gems at the moment properly yet so the MPE's socket is unused at the moment.

If I put in the MPE manually into my setup (I use the Envoy) I lose 2 dps.. then the sheet notices the empty socket, puts in a +16 agi and I gain 34 dps.

That does explain it, sorry if I missed if that was mentioned previously. Thanks

Dirtsheet · 07/08/09, 12:23 PM

So I have just finished reading a few different web sites that have said that DK's in general aren't capable of pulling the TPS that a warrior or a druid can. I'm not entirely sure how accurate this is, but I have noticed in 25 man raids I wind up pulling about 2.5k less TPS then the other tanks. So my question is does anyone know how accurate this is?

baldeagle · 07/08/09, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by prime311

Not sure why, but MPE is still ranked below Envoy for me on the gear planner. I havent changed any default gems. Anyone else have this issue?

Yes, this is the same with me.

Gurrang · 07/08/09, 12:57 PM

I'm sorry to ask, but has there been a BiS tank gear posted for Ulduar? I'm pretty confused by the links in other threads because they say that pieces like Embrace of the Gladiator are BiS, but should i be using them over T8.5?

kalbear · 07/08/09, 1:02 PM

Yes, you should be using Embrace of the Gladiator over the chest, most like. It has more sockets, more stamina, more armor, and more agility.