Hi all,

I am trying the MM build and there's something that i dont get..

Can you guys explain me why SrS glyph is a must?Since CS is refresing SrS why it would be useful to extend SrS duration?

Are you guys waiting for SrS to do his maximum duration and then fire CS or just firing CS when is cooldown is up?

Sorry if that question can be noobish a bit....

On a fight like Thorim where you can use FOK alot you will see the differance between specs.
I consider and call 18/51/2 The Foking spec. Im my guild the other 2 rogues use 18/51/2 it is very clear what spec is good on what fights. In single target fights (ignis, hodir ect) 15/51/5 will out dps 18/51/2 by a large margin in my experiance.

What a truly uninformed post here. The topic that's being discussed is that we are dying to incoming damage that we can't even react to. For instance, last night my guild was killing one of the Faceless One adds in General Vezax's room when the Void Beast appeared and hit me for a 22500 melee swing. It one shotted me with a 247 overkill and the tank didn't even have time to taunt it yet. There are countless other situations (i.e. Thorim's Chain Lightning, Freya's Detonating Lashers, etc.) that are killing us that other melee classes can survive. It is the first time I would have survived something if we had the Base Health Buff right now since most of my similar deaths are usually 1-2K overkills.

Here's hoping we see some sort of HP buff before 3.2 is finalized.

man i'd kiss ya... thanks a lot

Do they keep it up on Steelbreaker assuming your guild is endgame and your the one tanking him? Do they keep it up on General Vezax at all? If they die on Thorim HM and your the only tank left, can they still keep it up? What if you are asked to solo tank the arena?

How large is this threat gain and is it worth taking extra damage if the other tanks don't keep it up 100% of the time? What fights need this extra threat? If you wanted to get more threat, why not drop WotN and pick up both ITT and Necrosis?

I can't believe no one has seen this list, which has been floating around since pre-BC release:

Draenor Set

Azuremyst Isle - 1 to 10
Bloodmyrk Isle - 10 to 20

Eversong Forest - 1 to 10
Quel'thalas - 10 to 20

Hellfire Peninsula - 58 to 62
Zangarmarsh - 60 to 64
Terokkar Forest - 61 to 65
The Deadlands - 63 to 67
Nagrand - 64 to 68
Blade's Edge Mountains - 66 to 70
Netherstorm - 67 to 70
Shadowmoon Valley - 69 to 70

Northrend Set

Borean Tundra - 67 to 70
Howling Fjord - 67 to 70
Dragonblight - 69 to 72
Grizzly Hills - 70 to 73
Crystalsong Forest - 72 to 75
Zul'drak - 73 to 76
Sholazar Basin - 75 to 79
Storm Peaks - 76 to 80
Icecrown Glacier - 78 to 80

Maelstrom Set

Gilneas - 77 to 80
Grim Batol - 78 to 81
Kul Tiras - 79 to 82
Kezan - 81 to 86
Tel Abim - 83 to 85
Zandalar - 84 to 87
Plunder Isle - 86 to 88
The Broken Isles - 87 to 90
The Maelstrom - 89 to 90

Plane Set

Pandaria - 1 to 10
Hiji - 10 to 20

Wolfenhold - 1 to 10
Xorothian Plains - 10 to 20

The Green Lands - 88 to 91
The Dying Paradise - 91 to 94
The Emerald Nightmare - 94 to 97
The Eye of Ysera - 97 to 100

Deephome - 88 to 91
Skywall - 91 to 94
The Abyssal Maw - 94 to 97
The Firelands - 97 to 100

Legion Set

K'aresh - 96 to 99
Argus Meadowlands - 97 to 100
Mac'Aree - 99 to 100
Maw of Oblivion - 100+
The Burning Citadel - 100+++

Now, Blizzard hasn't kept to this exactly (Deadlands/Auchindoun was merged into Terrorkar, Dalaran load lead to Crystalsong being depopulated) but it has been accurate enough that I'd consider Emerald Dream and/or additional races in Cataclysm to be extremely unlikely.

I posted this comment in the Max DPS thread and I'm reposting it here in hopes of some discussion.

The only REAL problem with BM is that fight gimmick buffs rarely if ever affect the pet (Yogg, Hodir, Thaddius, IC, Vezaxx, etc). Although the DPS is theoretically lower by a substantial margin, BM has a much easier time reaching 90% of its theoretical maximum b/c of other things which do not affect the pet, especially ones that would cause the hunter to move. The pet remains DPSing in general a much higher percentage of your average Ulduar fight than the Hunter does. This also means that BW uptime when the hunter IS attacking is higher than is modeled in the spreadsheet b/c the hunter obviously uses it when she doesn't have to move. Fights with short periodic burn phases or fights with pauses in the fighting also inflate BM numbers higher than theory would indicate (Freya, XT, Mimiron, and in particular Hard Mode XT where having a hunter or two respec to BM if you are just on the cusp of killing the heart will easily push you over). I am of the opinion that if BM were ever capable of reaching the theoretical DPS numbers of MM or SV then there would be no reason to spec either of those simply because of the reasons I mentioned which inflate BM dps.

The only real fix needed is for fight gimmick buffs to affect pets as well. BM is a perfect example of a spec where theorycraft does not accurately model real world scenarios. The spreadsheet really does this spec a disservice, and I am a diehard Survival hunter who typically scoffed at BM even when it WAS the best spec.

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sorry should of read it all just thought there wouldn't be much testing on it yet.

This is from the first line on the post above you.

Sorry. I moved to Winterhoof. Didn't see that my change to the profile didn't take.

Why respond at all then? Responding to noobs like me is always optional.

Maybe because we're new to feral DPS and have no clue where to start so we start by reading the "for Dummies" guide. We follow the instructions in the guide and it tells us to use this tool (Rawr in this case) which tells us to do something different and maybe we get curious as to whether the guidelines about ArP vs. Agi stated in the "for Dummies" guide are more accurate or maybe the guide should have stated "if 200 < x < ArP Cap, gem for ArP unless Rawr or one of the other tools tells you to do something different". The way that it is stated in the original post and from other discussions, it seemed like a pretty "hard and fast" rule that ArP was better than Agi between 200 and ArP cap.

Thank you. Excellent info and probably explains alot about why I am struggling with my cycles.

That is the whole point of my post. I was trying to determine how much to trust Rawr (especially when it deviates from the info presented in posts like this).