Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 415

Nrv · 07/13/09, 11:39 PM

you're losing quite a bit of dps yourself sitting at 6 expertise, AtheistGods.

AtheistGod · 07/14/09, 12:00 AM

Not as much as I'd lose if i gemmed for expertise or took the gear with expertise I've seen drop.

kompton · 07/14/09, 3:04 AM

hey guys and gals..

I seem to be doin something wrong i cant pull over 4k deeps on most fights..

this link to ma gear..
The World of Warcraft Armory

and im using the rotation from this sight..

Nees · 07/14/09, 4:43 AM

Originally Posted by Sjera

Some things that possibly bear repeating

Spellpower is (slightly) more value to us than haste.
32 spellpower is definitely better than 27 haste.
In general do not gem for haste (unless there's a very nice socket bonus for spellpower)

Haste is much more valuable to us than crit (but spellpower is still better).
There is no haste cap.
There is no haste cap.

Chain Lightning has (approximately) the same dpsc as Lightning Bolt. If you are not using Chain Lightning in your 'priority' rotation then you are doing something wrong. It does not need to be cast every time its off cooldown - but it should be cast in order to keep cast times between Lava Burst as tight as possible.

Under Bloodlust Chain Lightning may clip the 1 second global cooldown so under these conditions you would not cast Chain Lightning. (Note: this can be close so may depend on your normal haste level - lower levels of haste may still not clip CL and therefore still pay to keep it in rotation)

Haste proc trinkets should be treated with caution only for the following reason - in Hodir and General Vezax you will get haste buffs that will take you to the 1 second global cooldown - haste trinkets that proc under these conditions will not help you. Haste is otherwise, still very good

/Clap 100% Agree

MantissX69 · 07/14/09, 7:20 AM

Hey all nub mage here.

I apologize in advance for not having the free time to read all 94+ pages on the forum.

I am looking for help with the following questions:

1) Best Arcane specc for 5 mans/raiding
2) Best Arcane rotation for 5 man/raiding
3) Best Arcane glyphs

I know that those question are really dumbing down the thread, i am not just not that hardcore. Any help, links etc would be greatly appreciated.

duiwelkind · 07/14/09, 7:33 AM

Would it not be a good idea to re-start a the arcane thread at some point seeing as lot of the early pages contains info relating to earlier patches which is not really 100% accurate anymore?

Timjan · 07/14/09, 7:54 AM

So i have been reading alot of this post here, and have to say that they are great! So now i have a question about my dps. I have ok gear atm but still cant press out more then 4.7k dps on yoggi at 25-man. This is abit strange when i compare other elementals that can get atleast 5,5k dps on that fight with similar gear. I dont "slack" have an activity on 98-99% all the time. So i wonder can it have something to do with that i am sitting on a laptop? It has 512 dedicated graphic memory (so should be enough). But when i check my MS its usually around 350. I know that laptops isnt optimal to play games with but i dont have the space for a custom computer. So is there anything i can do with the game (like graphic settings etc) so i can improve the dps or do anything with the computer so it have an easier time to manage the game?

semata · 07/14/09, 9:01 AM

Originally Posted by MantissX69

Hey all nub mage here.

I apologize in advance for not having the free time to read all 94+ pages on the forum.

I am looking for help with the following questions:

1) Best Arcane specc for 5 mans/raiding
2) Best Arcane rotation for 5 man/raiding
3) Best Arcane glyphs

I know that those question are really dumbing down the thread, i am not just not that hardcore. Any help, links etc would be greatly appreciated.

You know, you could at least try reading the first post.

The Arcane spec is fairly set in stone as 57/3/11 with 2 elective points in the Arcane tree, although you could use Rawr to tell you where to squeeze one more point out if you find it necessary to go 3/3 into some flavour talent. For rotations stick with AB3AM normally, but when cooldown stacking switch to AB3 spam and MBAM on proc. I don't think this would change but again Rawr can tell you this.

Glyphs are Molten Armor, Arcane Blast, Arcane Missile. No contest there.

Désespoir · 07/14/09, 9:06 AM

we have also very good results with boomkin (generally we send one druid in the room because of decurse needs), especially at 25 where i can infuse the boomkin

conwolv · 07/14/09, 9:17 AM

Originally Posted by AtheistGod

Nope, this was first found by Arms Warriors who's Battle Stance and Mace Spec are treated as ArP and not as sunder/faerie fire.

Thanks. That changes a bunch of my calculations.

Arcdragon · 07/14/09, 11:50 AM

I'm the sort of player who doesn't mind switching specs and glyphs for specific boss fights, both normal and hard mode.

So what are the best mage specs for Ulduar 10? For which bosses and why?

Do some Ulduar 10 hard modes call for not just a certain spec but a specific talent point allocation as well?

Some say for hard modes you need a frost or ffb with imp blizzard etc.

Also I recently was given Storm tip even though I already had Plasma Foil. The two items are almost identical except the first has over 50 haste while the other has 87 crit. I am usually dual specced Fireball TTW and Arcane as second spec.

Another mage who already has firesoul passed and said I should use it for arcane but I'm wondering if the haste would benefit me more than the crit from Plasma Foil.

For fireball, should I stack haste or crit and why?

Stevejobbs · 07/14/09, 12:03 PM

I was wondering if anyone could provide feedback for the Facemauler add-on. While it has taught me a lot about kitty timing, I feel like it isn't written to maximize dps. It seems as though some of my best dps attempts are when I improvise from the "suggested" pattern. As far as I can tell, Facemauler does adjust itself to talents, glyphs, set bonuses, etc.

Also, is there a better addon to try?

Grimfeng · 07/14/09, 12:05 PM

I have read the entire simple Q&A and have found nothing on this subject. I also tried a search and got an error because my search word (Eye of the beast) or (eyes of the beast) was too short...??? Is there a point to this ability? Why is it you cannot loot what your pet kills? I'm sure this goes all the way back to Classic, and it's not important as far as hunter dps goes, but the mechanic seems lacking for BM specs.

Thanks for any info on this.

c1one · 07/14/09, 12:22 PM

I think this is great as it will allow me to play with some RL friends and family on other servers and opposite faction. I don't really care if the Lore supports this change.

Johrael · 07/14/09, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Grimfeng

I have read the entire simple Q&A and have found nothing on this subject. I also tried a search and got an error because my search word (Eye of the beast) or (eyes of the beast) was too short...??? Is there a point to this ability? Why is it you cannot loot what your pet kills? I'm sure this goes all the way back to Classic, and it's not important as far as hunter dps goes, but the mechanic seems lacking for BM specs.

Thanks for any info on this.

Eyes of the Beast (EotB) is useful for moving your pet to a specific location that you either cannot get to or with more precision than just having them next to you. In classic, EotB was commonly used to "pet pull" bosses in Molten Core (Barron Geddon, Shazzrah) and sometimes Blackwing Lair due to the fact that players would not be able to survive the pull. EotB has, as far as I know, never been used during a PvE encounter. It has been used to start an encounter or prepare for an encounter, but (almost) never during.

As for not being able to loot mobs that your pet kills, that only occurs when your pet does most/all the damage to the mob. While your pet can tag mobs for you, they cannot kill mobs for you to loot. You can avoid this problem by attacking the same mob as your pet and making sure mobs don't die before you deal damage to them at least once.