Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 434

Smokescrêên · 07/24/09, 12:45 PM

Thanks again. I read these forums somewhat regularly, I must have just missed discussion about the ArP that indicated this months ago. Back to the spreadsheet! Thanks.

utk_razor · 07/24/09, 3:11 PM

Im debating here. I have been raiding for quite some time but i am still very confused on the damage buffs and attributes that armor pen gives to hunters. I have a few questions here that maybe somebody can answer for me.

1) Is 4p conc worth it. I mean the proc is very nice, however my testing shows it only procs once a min or worse. Defiantly not as much as the Runestone or Greatness Cards. I have [Gloves of the Fiery Behemoth] and [Saronite Mesh Legguards], but I have been using the 4p conc (Helm, Chest, Gloves, and Legs). Obviously the 2 piece is worth it as MM, but vs the overall stat gain from the off set gloves and pants, mainly the overall Armor Pen i gain Without having to gem.

2) Is Gemming for armor pen worth it. I can reach the 566 cap if i DO NOT use the 4p, but if i go for the 4p i have to gem. And even so, after reading quite a bit on Warcraft Hunters Union, it seems that Armor pen is not as important as I thought. At least not as important to gem for. Im not sure if i should Gem for Armor Pen to reach the cap or stick with straight stats. With gemming, my crit drops by 2-3%, my AP drops by over 200 base without aspecs and TSA. Also, Gemming for Armor Pen gimps me severally on fights that i switch to SV on, such as General.

clicheispasse · 07/24/09, 3:13 PM

Rahdik · 07/24/09, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tinwhisker

Upgrades are upgrades.

You should use the spreadsheet ahead of time to get a rough idea of what drops are upgrades for you and baring that it's easy to have a spreadsheet open while you play. Keep in mind that holding up looting while you "check something" is annoying and frustrating to raid leaders. So plan things out ahead of time.

I do use a spreadsheet, I use Aldriana's, and I've swapped back and forth between different specializations but I was never sure if just switching those was enough to see which spec could give me the most DPS. I wasn't sure if swapping all other gems to something new or more pieces of gear with specific stats would yield a different answer.

But aside from this post i'm never posting on EJ ever because every time I do it seems I get an infraction and I don't mean to post "hand-holding" stuff, it's just getting a bit ridiculous now, so for now i'll just read and never ask questions.

Felixxx · 07/24/09, 5:04 PM

Well from what i understand that bug happens when you have sudden death procced so it shouldn't be a mjor problem if it hasn't procced. Please correct me if i'm wrong. Anyways bug should be fixed

In other terms, does anyone have any idea if using both Mjolnir Rune and Grim Toll would help or if they would cancel each other out if u understand what i mean? I'm at 40%arp atm with the 10%stance and use Grim Toll and Wrathstone.Would it make any sense to swap wrathstone with the mjolnir rune?

Another question, has anyone tried hardcapping arp, i.e. having100%passive arp without any proc, only gear+stance+talents?

Last question: what tends to be the best wep spec, I tend to think that the 5% crit from poleaxe specis better than the mace or sword spec. I just want to know cause i just lost betrayer of humanity to a freaking 2200 dps DK...

P.S.: I know maybe my questions have been already answered but it's 50+pages to browse to find the answer :|.

Femkee · 07/24/09, 5:59 PM

clicheispasse that is TapestryUI, isn't it?

Tay · 07/24/09, 6:00 PM

Originally Posted by Howwow

@Tay
If you want fast aggro then it's a good idea to start with HB like Afabar said. I'm not a fan of OB but it's one way to
go. If you're tanking non-elites then skip Pestilence altogether. For elites it may be a good idea, depending on
how long the fight is going to be. BB is good and with Blood Tap you can do it even three times in a row if need be.
When you've used your boils then it's not long till your HB is ready again. After that not long till DnD.

About your talents: Icy Talons and also the improved version is usually not needed when raiding because there
probably is a shaman around with Windfury Totem (or some such) that overrides Talons making it useless.
I'd put them in Virulence and Bladed Armor, or just the latter. Two handed weapon specialization doesn't help aoe either.
It's not bad but for (at least the pre-patch) frost build Dark Conviction (+crit for all dmg) is better than 2h spec.

Glyphs: Icebound Fortitude is a PVP glyph (semi-good at that) when you want to have some defense regardless
of having a high dps build. Obliterate is ok but that's for single target encounters. As a tank you just want
to keep aggro first and dealing damage is fine but secondary. You have FS and RS for that too.
DnD and HB for major glyphs and Blood Tap for minor (instead of either Raise Dead or Horn of Winter).

Once you have your flock around you and you start aoeing it will be very hard to pull them off you.
Things may get hard if you have trigger happy dps behind you but it's ok to tell them to wait till you've collected
all the dwarves together. If one manages to escape your aoe then use Dark Command or better yet Death Grip.
Just don't spend too much doing that or otherwise you'll lose the whole group because of interruption in aoe
damage. Grouping with random people for heroics it's often hard for when someone uses
Army of the Dead suddenly or starts pulling before tank. In guild raids those things shouldn't be a problem though.
Also your gauntlets could use that +2% threat +some parry enchant, can't remember the name

Your gear is quite good otherwise, there's plenty of avoidance and stamina.

Awesome! thank you guys so much for the help. I really was not expecting you to actually delve into my tree. I am looking at respecs, and EJ is also a great place to find those :P. Thank you much for the help - I am headed to the AH right now to sort of work on glyphs and everything else.

I have mostly been running off my gear, and less my knowledge. The glyphs will help alot (seeing as I really wasnt using the right ones... at all. I also didnt really consider using blood tap to BB my way to the top. Normally I have death runes up so I can have the extra OBs. I always BS BS while I am RSing, or before my dump.

Thank you again for the help!

Julianne4 · 07/24/09, 6:05 PM

Thank you!

Judgeman · 07/24/09, 8:47 PM

At the moment this is what mine looks like :

I have some questions about AG unit frames, this is going to sound dumb, but I cant find the options. Plz and Ty <3

Jooky · 07/24/09, 10:26 PM

just a small one

what is the ep value for "hit" on enhancement shaman after reaching the spell hit cap

Charger525 · 07/24/09, 10:33 PM

ive been rackin my brain and tryin to read thru all the posts here, please forgive me if im posting in the wrong section. but whats the consensus for DKs and arpen? is it a useless trait? if not and we do need it how much should we shoot for? currently I'm a blood specced tank and i have some arpen thru my wep and but im just tryin to find a NO BS (or close to it) handle on what the story is for arpen and DKs Please help and or advise. Much thanks... attached is my wowarmory link if its of any matter or importance. Thank u again.

[url="http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorefiend&n=Cyrak"]

Asphyxialol · 07/24/09, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Charger525

ive been rackin my brain and tryin to read thru all the posts here, please forgive me if im posting in the wrong section. but whats the consensus for DKs and arpen? is it a useless trait? if not and we do need it how much should we shoot for? currently I'm a blood specced tank and i have some arpen thru my wep and but im just tryin to find a NO BS (or close to it) handle on what the story is for arpen and DKs Please help and or advise. Much thanks... attached is my wowarmory link if its of any matter or importance. Thank u again.

[url="http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorefiend&n=Cyrak"]

Armor pen is a stat which you, as a tank, should avoid. Don't by any means avoid it like the plague (ie, don't ditch some ilvl 232 weapon for a 226 weapon just because it has armor pen on it). Armor penetration becomes better the more you have due to its ultimate effect on bosses and at which point during the damage calculation process it occurs.

Since you asked, even though it isn't really pertinent to the overall situation, you should aim for (generally without socketing) about 495 armor penetration with Grim Toll, or 442 with Mjolnir Runestone as one of your trinkets in order to successfully reach the armor penetration cap (while procs are up via trinkets).

There is a debate as to whether it is worth it to gem for armor penetration as a dps blood spec user, but there has not been significant math proving at what point one should gem for armor penetration (though the number 6200 raid buffed AP gets thrown around a lot), and the majority of the math shown so far suggests that the difference between strength stacking and armor penetration stacking is very minimal at best. Also, as Darkside/Kroot has said multiple times, the ability to shift between specs makes Str more worth while to gem for (because armor penetration is a fairly poor stat for unholy, and strength is better to stack for frost due to its inherit magical damage).

For more information on armor penetration from a dps perspective, check out http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t61176-b..._dk_dps_guide/ which has all the number crunching and tens of posts directly related to your questions regarding armor penetration.

jojomcblow · 07/24/09, 11:37 PM

first post! go me.

i was just curious if you all had any advice. landsouls sheet said i should be 6K+. i do more like 4k.

i rend/overpower when its up. MS when its up. sudden death over overpower, otherwise use SD when its up. i basically use bladestorm after a rend rotation. i use cleave on multi targets, and HS as a dump on singles.

am i doing something like, blatently wrong? any tips would be appreciated <3

Lillan · 07/25/09, 12:29 AM

I for one look forward to such a change with reservations. I would like in stead of just faction change but to be a Gnome horde would rock. Maybe they could implement a quest line like they did with the dks to join the other side? Either way I will be watching the out come on this one.

Lillan · 07/25/09, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Sakkara

Was wondering if anyone knows where to start your Lockpicking after 350 ?

Well I for one picked the pockets in icecrown valkrys (please excuse the spelling) I leveled it up to 400/400 with that. I hope this helps you