Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 447

Angel of Wrath · 08/02/09, 6:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kandiru

The new SoV dot refresh is melee, so that can proc it, and the new instant damage strike is also melee, so that probably can proc it as well. Giving 3 proc chances a swing? Have you noticed an increased regen from JoW as well?

I think all melee attacks proc things unless specially coded not to (eg SoB).

Quick testing with auto-attack indicated that JoW doesn't proc more often with SoV than with SoC or SoR.

Gwaihir81 · 08/02/09, 9:52 AM

I read somewhere in these forums that elemental shamans should switch to LB spam during heroism (and maximum haste situations like Vezax). Having elem mastery up at the same time may have been a condition(though this was before the duration was reduced I think). I don't think the person had contributed any numbers to support it, but I don't remember anyone refuting it at the same time. I can't find the post now of course..

Anyway, can anyone confirm or deny this?

Also, I can't seem to find any numbers on potion of speed vs potion of wild magic, can anyone tell me which is the more attractive option for elemental shamans?

Thanks.

Jadence · 08/02/09, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Nisall

This gets asked every single page for the last 3-4 pages

No, haste doesn't get better. First of all you'd need huge amounts of haste for a noticable decrease in time to stack. Second, once we are at 5 stacks haste actually has less value than in 3.1 because SoV will doing a larger % of our total dmg than SoB is currently doing.

It was said earlier though that if on a decent fight where you didn't need to switch targets often, popping a Potion of Speed before engaging in combat would help apply the stacks faster (albeit even slightly), and then freeing up space for another potion during the fight if needed.

So while haste isn't going to be great to stack on gear, during the initial ramp up time, any extra haste can't hurt.

jpte · 08/02/09, 12:57 PM

Since i got my t8.5 - 4 Set bonus. I have assumed that its best to use only 1-2 CP Savage Roar.
But now that i have been reading a little; I start to wonder if its acctually better to use its at higher Combo Points.
When reading here all i see is that i should "Refresh it when ever it expires". But im wondering for instance, If i have enough energy for a Shred before before i do SR. Should i cast that shred or just wait a second and let my Energy bar fill up a little extra and cast it low CP?

jpte · 08/02/09, 12:59 PM

Also i don´t understand how to run the Simulator program? Does it work with Vista 32bit? How do i run it?

xfiremonkeyx · 08/02/09, 1:47 PM

i am a long time reader but first time poster...

but i have a quick question, i know there is a lot of debate about how much Arp to stack and when ... but my questions is.

according to the spreadsheet its always a dps decrease when i gem for ArP is there actually a point you need to hit b4 geming for ArP will be a dps increase? as well now with ArP being so important, how important is haste how for MM... cuz i know b4 hitting the haste cap back in naxx is a must for good #'s but i have not herd much about haste.. all i read is that its not as important anymore ... did i read wrong ?

kalbear · 08/02/09, 2:34 PM

But im wondering for instance, If i have enough energy for a Shred before before i do SR. Should i cast that shred or just wait a second and let my Energy bar fill up a little extra and cast it low CP?

If you have energy and time to do a shred before an SR, the main reason you'd not want to is to not waste the combo point on it when you could be using it on a rip or FB. So it really depends on your crit rate, your time on rip, how many CPs we're talking, what your glyphs are, whether you're having to keep up mangle, etc.

The most efficient SR is 1 CP when you have 4pT8. That doesn't mean it's the best, mind you - just that it gives you the most time on SR per CP. Having a 2-3 CP SR is good because it gives you more freedom in that case. If it won't cost you any cycle time and will allow you more FBs, having a 5 CP SR is great.

Nisall · 08/02/09, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by Jadence

It was said earlier though that if on a decent fight where you didn't need to switch targets often, popping a Potion of Speed before engaging in combat would help apply the stacks faster (albeit even slightly), and then freeing up space for another potion during the fight if needed.

So while haste isn't going to be great to stack on gear, during the initial ramp up time, any extra haste can't hurt.

I never said more haste hurts, just that it's stats priority hasn't changed and that is what the question was about.

jnatkins · 08/02/09, 3:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bigperm

Hit cap for Arcane Mages with "Precision" and "Arcane Focus" is 210(8%) as long as you're running with a Shadow Priest / Oomkin, 289(11%) if you're not running with a Shadow Priest or Oomkin.

and only 7% if you have a Draenei in your party.. :-P

Procarbine · 08/02/09, 6:22 PM

Originally Posted by Pijn

Huh? This got changed a long time ago (patch 3.0.8). Perhaps you need to test it again and you ll see that everytime you fire Chimera Shot, the Serpent Sting will start ticking according to the AP you had at the time you fired Chimera. The only time you would want to refresh SrS is when you get a +% damage modifier buff on you (to my knowledge there are only 4 in game at this time; Thaddius, Malygos, Iron Council, Vezax).

Ah ok. I took the above post to mean that SS would just instantly take the new damage, and I didn't test it with Chimera.

I just made the switch to an MM spec, as I'm finally getting good enough gear for it, so I'm still trying to learn the ropes of wrath MM.

blackfrost13 · 08/02/09, 6:27 PM

hello, i haven't been on the forums for a min and was sifting thru them to see if i can find an answer to my question. pretty much i dropped scorch glyph to pick up glyph of living bomb. my only problem is getting the stacks up before the boss or mob is dead. my question is when is a good time to scorch and how many stacks actually makes a difference. if you can point me to a thread that explains it or give me some kind of idea i would appreciate it 10 folds. thx for the help.

Bramme · 08/02/09, 8:10 PM

Ah, I did not know Rawr worked that well! However, switching them would bring me below the hit cap :s

Thank you for clarifying though. I'm doing my best, but the theorycrafting game still holds many mysteries for me.

Arthemis · 08/02/09, 8:33 PM

I have a lame question.
I am gearing my first alt, a DK (like many rogues...) and i plan to make him a tank one day. (i really had enough of being overlooked class as a dps, and i am 6 - 10k depending on the boss, pugging however) .
Back to the question, they are 2 in fact:

1. While doing heroics, which is the best spec? Assume blue gear.
I know what the different spreadsheets are telling me, but its not really applicable on mobs that just die within 15 sec, or bosses in 1min.

2. While tanking heroics or low level raid - naxx, os, voa - which is the best spec again? Assume defense capped, mostly blues. Which will make me look good and get me invited, if i dont suck as a tank?

People are geared nowadays, but a lot of them still fail.
In full greens i managed to do 3.8k as frost on the dragon Satharion in 25man, and ended up the second best dps for the raid, with everyone else in full t7...i was laughing for an hour or so after that.

However, when inviting, gear score is the most looked at, for some easier raids, they might look at HP at least. I know blood will give me max HP even in 3.2, but i have been reading here how i need really good gear to be Blood tank. Assume i have the required awareness, so picking up mobs does not tilt the scale in favor of unholy.

Thanks a lot.

Alex234 · 08/02/09, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pijn

The latter one, 2xt9 will only make your Serpent Sting DoT crit occasionally, it will not affect Chimera Shot-Serpent.

Sad

What about 4t9 for MM - is it good or not?
I mean 600 ap for pet on proc.

Gryffon · 08/02/09, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ravelvan

Something like this should do it:

/run SendChatMessage("My mana is currently at "..floor((UnitMana("player")/UnitManaMax("player")*100+.5)).."%.","RAID")

You can replace "RAID" with "PARTY" or "SAY" or "RAID_WARNING" if you like.

that looks right. I'll monkey with it and get it to where it posts in the healing channel like before! thanks tons!