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Old 08/07/09, 1:25 AM   #6856
Kitchensusn
 
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Orc Death Knight
 
Proudmoore
Blood Spec (51/0/20) + UH Presence = AMAZING

Blood spec ( 51/0/20) and UH presence

This is my “problem”, everything i ever read says to use blood presence with my blood spec that i got from here, but i would like som1 with 25 ulduar gear to try this out. I do 4k+ on heroic bosses with blood spec and in UH presence, and if i try blood presence, i usually only do 3k+, i understand heroics are shorter fights than raids so you have to consider the burst factor with unholy, that is why i just did 5 minute test on target dummy. My result was blood starting kind of low and rising to a steady 2600 dps, my UH presence (blood spec) started pretty high, around 3k dps and dropped slowly to a steady 27-2800 dps….. so i can not find out why to do blood presence. Maybe i’m doing something wrong, but when i do almost 5k dps in heroics on bosses without ever gearing from any 10 or 25 mans, i think i’m doing something right. so maybe blood spec, UH presence is the new thing, i don’t know, som1 test it out for me and let me know your results, same rotation pretty much… so help me out if i'm doing something wrong, but it works amazing for me, just gets me cause everywhere says use Blood presence, but i do more in short or long fights with uh presence, so i would like people doing 25 ulduar to try it out on a boss that they know what they do in blood presence and try it this time in unholy presence, or at least on a test dummy and see if they have same results i do

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Old 08/07/09, 1:27 AM   #6857
Farahota
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Tauren Druid
 
Stormscale
Update the armpen numbers please. 15.395 \ 1% armpen

Grim softcap 927 armpen rating
runestone is 874 armpen rating

just thought i would help out

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Old 08/07/09, 2:24 AM   #6858
thefirstevil
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Human Mage
 
Thrall
yay, they reversed the living bomb causing hot streak and now mage dps is crap

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Old 08/07/09, 2:43 AM   #6859
Solluno
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Gnome Death Knight
 
Mal'Ganis (EU)
is anywhere in this thread a updated version of the original post for 3.2?
i mean, listed in a chart for every race and talent spec.

if not, it would be nice if someone could

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Old 08/07/09, 3:32 AM   #6860
Inaiwae
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Night Elf Druid
 
Sylvanas (EU)
I must have missed something, was there ArPen change in 3.2? Or are the numbers in this post wrong? According to Combat ratings post, only dodge parry and resilience changed in 3.2.

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Old 08/07/09, 3:39 AM   #6861
spiritryu
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Troll Druid
 
Ner'zhul
Originally Posted by Farahota View Post
Update the armpen numbers please. 15.395 \ 1% armpen

Grim softcap 927 armpen rating
runestone is 874 armpen rating

just thought i would help out
Nothing should've changed for ArP in 3.2 unless there was some kind of stealth change. Going by my paper dummy I show 534 ArP giving 43.36% ArP and with Runestone and Rhino food up I have 100% ArP.

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Old 08/07/09, 4:34 AM   #6862
2nt9
 
Troll Rogue
 
Twisting Nether
The changes to poison proc's based on weapon speed piqued my curiosity so I decided to swap the relentless strikes 5/5 out of my combat spec for Improved Poisons 5/5, but is giving up the extra energy generated by RS worth the significant boost to proc'ing IP and Deadly.

With envenom up and running my proc's are pretty much going off without a doubt, Im just not sure if the dps is better and RS gives extra energy so I find it hard to put a dps value on it.

This is my first post, be gentle?

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Old 08/07/09, 4:54 AM   #6863
Batlecruiser
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Dwarf Hunter
 
Earthen Ring
What do you think about the new tier set bonus. I think it is not so great than others. 3 secs rake, yeah! If I compare for example with DKs bonus: 2er Bloodstrike and Heartstrike have a chance to grant 180 strength and 4er blood plague and frost fever can crit, which is really nice, because they got buffed (+1300 dmg a tick) and compare with your 4er 5% crit on rip and ferious bite, i think it's also not better. Every class got 5% crit in 4er boni, why DKs not?

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Old 08/07/09, 4:59 AM   #6864
Onizukaone
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Tauren Druid
 
Khaz Modan (EU)
Originally Posted by Kittay View Post
Anyone have any more info on a good way to heal this fight now since the cc nerf? What were other guilds doing to help with the changes?
same !

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Old 08/07/09, 5:05 AM   #6865
Vajel
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Human Mage
 
The Venture Co (EU)
Originally Posted by Maje View Post
Ah well, that was somewhat expected, were they to ask me which I prefered LB being used on multiple targets or the DOT proccing HS I would have made the same choice as they did.

It allows us to do something we couldn't before and makes us very good on multi mob fights, we will be lagging a bit behind on patchwerk type fights.
If you like a dots on multiple targets then go to play lock. We would rather have LB ticks to proc HS.

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Old 08/07/09, 7:00 AM   #6866
Vyctoria
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Human Mage
 
Emerald Dream (EU)
Just to piggyback on the suggestion i've seen a couple of times now:

Make unglyphed LB as glyphed is now (multi target, crits on dot ticks). Then glyph of LB allows dot ticks to proc HS but removes multi target ability. Off the top of my head can't see any major flaws but may be missing something.

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Old 08/07/09, 7:34 AM   #6867
Vailliant
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Human Warrior
 
Eonar (EU)
hmm i might put cleave in my rotation then, if it really makes up for the dps loss from heroic strike

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Old 08/07/09, 7:36 AM   #6868
membranoid
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Murloc Mage
 
Destromath
So I really don't belong here because my math skills are failure, but has anyone ran the numbers of the new mage set bonuses vs. the warlock set bonuses? It seems from a cursory glance that giving us more crit is a horrible diminishing return compared to the set bonuses locks recieve. (Not to mention making combustion even less desirable than it was, assuming that's possible.)

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Old 08/07/09, 8:35 AM   #6869
Boevis
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Tauren Druid
 
Lightbringer
I assume you're talking about Banner of Victory. According to Rawr, this is below Grim Toll, Mjolnir Runestone, Comet's Trail, Dark Matter, and the 2 Death trinkets from ToC raids.

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Old 08/07/09, 8:39 AM   #6870
Boevis
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Tauren Druid
 
Lightbringer
Originally Posted by Farahota View Post
Your armpen numbers could use an update.
15.19 / 1% armpen
1 armpen / .065%

let me know if my numbers are wrong please, this will be my 1st time posting number.
Woah there, please do some fact checking before misleading people like this. It's the first post of the Combat Ratings thread that is incorrect, not this thread.

What you're posting are old Armor Pen numbers that got changed a while ago. From Patch 3.1.2: "Armor Penetration Rating: All classes now receive 25% more benefit from Armor Penetration Rating."

The current, and accurate ArP conversion is 12.32 ArP = 1%

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