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Old 08/11/09, 3:02 AM   #6961
nedm
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Hyjal
Did shandara die? I hope everything's alright, usually updates for this come out faster than i can enter my info into the spreadsheet :P

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Old 08/11/09, 3:20 AM   #6962
fakeyfakerson
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by Vinen View Post
For Hit:
Use RAWR and take look through the first post in the FeralByNight thread. It should contain the information you need.

For Armor Pen:
See Above and yes assuming you are using the Shred Idol.

For Enchants:
Gloves should be Agility
Boots should be Icewalker (yes I know you asked about agility or ap)
yea i've read a lot of the FBN thread but it doesn't have any specific numbers you should really shoot for, and i've heard some conflicting advice on this very forum about when to switch from gemming agility to armpen. is there a thread that discusses the best enchants for feral dps?

also i've tended to stay away from rawr because it seems to be inaccurate at times and i feel a little...dirty...letting an addon tell me exactly how to play. is it kept up to date in terms of how it rates armor penetration and agility and all that nice stuff that's in the FBN thread?

thanks for the help!

Last edited by fakeyfakerson : 08/11/09 at 3:43 AM.

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Old 08/11/09, 3:57 AM   #6963
Dazkareith
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Hellscream (EU)
i have a question nightcrowler.
you can see my armory here The World of Warcraft Armory

I am trying to regemming whit epic gems but since they will give me a lot more stats i was trying to improve other stats besides stamina.
since i know the best place to look for it is here i came to read your treads but i got myself confused.

whit my gear and blue gems in bear form i am whit 36k health unbuffed.
should i keep geming all blues and only respecting my meta request or should i gem till i get 38K again and the rest whit dodge and/or agility.

i am currently tanking ulduar 25 and till now didn´t have any problems whit this gear and gems, but whit the new epic ones i might be able to sort them in other way to improve it.

In Bear form unbufed:
27996 armor
39% dodge
40 expertise
427 def
5304 power
40% crit
123 arpen



Any help is wellcome

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Old 08/11/09, 4:06 AM   #6964
Kireiray
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Vashj
Originally Posted by evoslayer View Post
Feint + Glyph of Cloak + Enveloping Shadows would probably work as well, I know we discussed it a while ago and it came out that even without enveloping shadows it was possible to eat the 10 man version of the spell with the cloak glyph and a power word shield, I believe with all three AE damage taken reduction abilities it is enough to eat the big bang on 25 man, which is the only situation where deep subtlety is really viable, especially with a PWS, once again though you are going to take more damage than a shadow priest would or anyone with guardian spirit from a holy priest, a prot paladin with ardent defender or any number of other possible choices for surviving the big bang.
Big bang counts as physical damage?

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Old 08/11/09, 4:30 AM   #6965
fakeyfakerson
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Blackrock
Originally Posted by fakeyfakerson View Post
yea i've read a lot of the FBN thread but it doesn't have any specific numbers you should really shoot for, and i've heard some conflicting advice on this very forum about when to switch from gemming agility to armpen. is there a thread that discusses the best enchants for feral dps?

also i've tended to stay away from rawr because it seems to be inaccurate at times and i feel a little...dirty...letting an addon tell me exactly how to play. is it kept up to date in terms of how it rates armor penetration and agility and all that nice stuff that's in the FBN thread?

thanks for the help!
for instance, i just loaded up rawr and it told me to go balls to the wall agility without any hit/armorpen and to enchant all my gear 44 ap to gloves and 16 agi to boots, which is going against what you suggested.

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Old 08/11/09, 4:34 AM   #6966
ramaswamy
 
Tauren Hunter
 
Nordrassil
OPEN OFFICE

My open office works just fine with this awesome spread sheet not shure where the problem lies not in the spread sheet ..

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Old 08/11/09, 4:57 AM   #6967
Patrix
Glass Joe
 
Orc Shaman
 
Kor'gall (EU)
Originally Posted by Eva View Post
Nightmare Tear is unique equiped.
Ops, didn't notice, nevermind then.

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Old 08/11/09, 5:15 AM   #6968
Wetrix
 
Human Mage
 
Misha
Expertise and Armor Penetration

I just got back into WoW and noticed the changes with favorable ratings towards Expertise and Armor Penetration. But, what should my rating for both be? I'm just looking for estimates, 'course.

Thank you.

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Old 08/11/09, 6:43 AM   #6969
Tewi
Glass Joe
 
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Marjhan
Human Paladin
 
Frostmourne
By the Lights! thanks for the enlightenment. Now I have a legit reason to go shove it in that dk's face lol. And this does give me a new reason to alternate between SoR and SoV in heroics. Thanks <3

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Old 08/11/09, 6:53 AM   #6970
Flouyd
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Hunter
 
Mannoroth (EU)
Originally Posted by GwolfGarona View Post
You can also unhide the tabs for gear lists and add a new row(s). Nothing is locked on the hidden tab and unhiding is not protected. But you can break the sheet entirely if you are not careful.
Can you explain step by step how to do this? I opened the gear tabs and enterd my new gear but i dont get it to show in the drop down menu or in the gear planer

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Old 08/11/09, 7:01 AM   #6971
Dazkareith
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Hellscream (EU)
how much health a feral tank should have to start gemming whit agility?

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Old 08/11/09, 8:48 AM   #6972
Urbanpt
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Human Rogue
 
Quel'Thalas (EU)
Hi rogues.

I got a couple of questions about weapons and specs.
Since 2 months i'm playing with Fist/dagger [Greed] [Webbed Death] speccing cqc ofc.

Yesterday this mace drops to me in new instance. [Aledar's Battlestar] and i have in my bank this one [Split Greathammer].

Should i spec maces and go with 2 maces?

Or spec only mace spec and use [Aledar's Battlestar] and [Webbed Death]? I ask that because as far i can remember in the past off hand gets spec from main hand, ie dagger gets too 15% armor penenatrion. I prefer use dagger if penetration works on her, because i got a better enchant (berseker) and is a faster weapon.

Hope you can help me with wich weapon and spec should i use.

Ps: i can get more beneficts from maces, because im human.

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Old 08/11/09, 9:25 AM   #6973
Mihir
Piston Honda
 
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Pandaren Monk
 
The Maelstrom (EU)
Originally Posted by Dazkareith View Post
how much health a feral tank should have to start gemming whit agility?
Depends on what you intend to tank (heroics / naxx / ulduar / algalon / ... )

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Old 08/11/09, 9:36 AM   #6974
Dazkareith
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Hellscream (EU)
sorry i am already tanking ulduar25 i am just changing to epic gems and needed some advices
don´t realy know if i should keep staking stamina gems or get some agility in betwen to get more dodge, armour, ap and crit.
The World of Warcraft Armory


In Bear form unbufed
36k health
27996 armor
39% dodge
40 expertise
427 def
5304 power
40% crit
123 arpen

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Old 08/11/09, 9:58 AM   #6975
Onodrim
Piston Honda
 
Human Rogue
 
Aggramar (EU)
You're incorrect to assume that your attacks made with a dagger recieves the added 15% armor penetration from the Mace Specialization talent. If you check the tooltip from the talent, it reads "Your attacks with maces ignore up to 15% of your opponent's armor". Hence, it doesn't affect your attacks with daggers.

As a general rule, slow off hand weapons are to be avoided on account of the substantial dps benefit you recieve from increasing weapon speed by even 0.1; especially when you're specced combat due to Combat Potency. I recall reading somewhere on these fora that as far as off hand weapons go, 0.1 weapon speed roughly translates into 10 weapon dps for combat rogues. I can't remember which thread the post was in, so I can't verify it at the moment, though.

Normally, mixed weapons specs are to be avoided as well. The only competitive hybrid spec for combat rogues is a slow fist weapon(MH)/fast sword or axe(OH). This is due to the fact that the Hack and Slash proc is activated by any attacks made with a sword or axe, but it results in an extra attack with your main hand regardless of which weapon you're wielding.

Obviously, you'll need to spec in accordance with whichever weapons at your disposal yields the highest dps which, again, is obviously also affected by your additional gear. There are some helpful tools available to help you in that department in the form of spreadsheets. Both Aldriana, Mavanas and Vulajin have developed some different spreadsheets that can help you determine which gear to select. Regarding the latter, you'll have to check out the last pages of the thread to find out about the work being done by others to update that particular spreadsheet.

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