Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 489

britomartis · 08/24/09, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

This should hopefully fix the problems the above 2 posters had with melee weapons.

91e does indeed fix my ranking issues, thanks for the great work!

Archdrood · 08/24/09, 2:11 PM

I don't think this is the proper forum to discuss optimal prof changes. Maybe it's just me...
Might want to check some of the EJ profession threads, Rainman.

hotmetal · 08/24/09, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Shandara

@hotmetal:
This re-uploaded also fixes your issue. It should properly continue with the next item now.

Aces! Working like a charm, thanks!

CuttingCrew · 08/24/09, 3:32 PM

look me up

my base Passive ArP is 65.6% + 10% in Battle Stance = 75.6%. i recently(as you can see) swapped out my conquerors chestpiece to give up 7% ArP so i could throw in some expertise that i was desperately needing. However, that does negate the fact that i can, at this moment get roughly 70% Passive ArP without the GT.

Is it worth it for me to get the GT, tone down the ArP, then gem +str until my eyes bleed? or do i keep my overflow of ArP?

by the way i am brand new to these forums! frist post! :P

Shamanzomg · 08/24/09, 5:40 PM

Hello,

Want to know when Flare of Heavens trinket (id 45518) will be added into sim.

[Flare of the Heavens]

Tks

Duels · 08/24/09, 6:29 PM

I was wondering if someone could give me some pointers. I mean I've read through almost this entire thread from 3.2 on and I'm still having trouble breaking 6k DPS. My rotation is as follows (PS im playing 3/15/55 Unholy)

(PS/IT) - OBV - BS - BS - OBV - OBV - OBV / obvli when i have proper runes, bs when i have blood runes.. keep up diseases as soon as they are down.. death coil when all 6 runes are down.. I try not to DC when i have the ability to strike.

I use haste potions macro'd in with my gargoyle for bloodlust.

here is my gear, any helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.. For some reason I keep getting out dps'd by all our other raider dks (even though they are the same spec and just slightly better geared) it's blowing my damn mind because I feel like i'm playing right but im not sure what the hell is going on. On training dummys I cant break past 3.7/3.8k dps >.>

The World of Warcraft Armory

Also I eat expertise food to cap me.

2 more questions lol -

1) +6 stats or a +10 str + 15 stam gem? I was thinking +6 agi/str better than +10 str? for my second blue socket?
2) How much dps is 4PC T8.5? Would I be ok only wearing 2pc, and maybe 2pc t9?

drag0nius · 08/24/09, 8:18 PM

First of all, please someone make new topic of my post. Cant do that myself and i'm pretty sure it deserves new topic.

Did some research about rogue energy modifiers while leveling, there are some deviations but generally its easy to "fix" them.
Lower levels its nothing special, just adding % from Overkill and Vitality together.
Overkill - 13/sec - 130%
Overkill + Vitality 1/3 - 13,8/sec - 138%
Overkill + Vitality 2/3 - 14,5/sec - ~146%
Vitality 1/3 - 10,9/sec - ~108%
Vitality 2/3 - 11,7/sec - ~116%

Was surprised at 73 lvl with Vitality 3/3, i felt really huge difference between 3/3 and 2/3 Vitality.

Then made few videos not just one, cause no matter how i counted it was more like Vitality 3/3 gave ~28,5% regeneration instead of 25%. And it was counting more like 130% Overkill * ~128-130% Vitality 3/3, instead of just adding 100% + 30% + 25% = 155%
Thats what results disperion i get:
Overkill + Vitality 3/3 - 16,7/sec to 16.96/sec ~168%
Vitality 3/3 - 12,69/sec to 12,87/sec ~128%

I used HyperCam2 50 fps recording along with Windows Movie Maker for frames analyzing. Testing while leveling my rogue, started at 70 lvl with Overkill then added Vitality each level up to 3/3 at 73 level.
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft - atm got this build

Wonder what will happen when i hit 74 and get Adrenaline Rush ;D

Wolfies · 08/24/09, 10:51 PM

It's with no movement either; i do fine at the start but i start slipping; my guild has really god dpsers.

Also, just curious; i have a macro that combines Lust , EM, and troll racial along with wild magic potion; should i be saving troll racial till after lust ends?

degeon · 08/24/09, 11:50 PM

Hey guys, i was wondering at what exact level of crit it would be more beneficial to go ffb as opposed to ttw. Right now a few mages in my guild are telling me that they heard rumors that haste is almost pointless until around 70% crit unbuffed for ttw. i know this is not true but i would really just like to get the exact numbers so i know.

TYIA

Meygaera · 08/25/09, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Duels

I was wondering if someone could give me some pointers. I mean I've read through almost this entire thread from 3.2 on and I'm still having trouble breaking 6k DPS. My rotation is as follows (PS im playing 3/15/55 Unholy)

(PS/IT) - OBV - BS - BS - OBV - OBV - OBV / obvli when i have proper runes, bs when i have blood runes.. keep up diseases as soon as they are down.. death coil when all 6 runes are down.. I try not to DC when i have the ability to strike.

I use haste potions macro'd in with my gargoyle for bloodlust.

here is my gear, any helpful tips would be greatly appreciated.. For some reason I keep getting out dps'd by all our other raider dks (even though they are the same spec and just slightly better geared) it's blowing my damn mind because I feel like i'm playing right but im not sure what the hell is going on. On training dummys I cant break past 3.7/3.8k dps >.>

The World of Warcraft Armory

Also I eat expertise food to cap me.

2 more questions lol -

1) +6 stats or a +10 str + 15 stam gem? I was thinking +6 agi/str better than +10 str? for my second blue socket?
2) How much dps is 4PC T8.5? Would I be ok only wearing 2pc, and maybe 2pc t9?

There really isn't a whole lot we can do to help you do much better. If you post us a log of some sort with the other DK's in it as well that would give us more to work with. Training dummies should never be used for dps comparisons of any sort, only used to practice/analyze rotations.

regarding your questions:
1) the 10 str/15 stamina is better (I uploaded your profile into Rawr!) but by only 3dps, but keep in mind Rawr! and other simulators help but aren't the end all solution to everything. 3 DPS is so minuscule you shouldn't even spend money/badges/honor to get it replaced now.

2) Dropping 4pc T8 for 2pc T9 is hard to tell. For you I swapped your valorous shoulders with the Triumph version (one that requires token + badges) and it showed your DPS dropping by 7. Once again thats really small. But the best option is to wait until you get the 4pc T9 which is a significant upgrade.

Ending notes, if the other DK's are the same spec as you then I would suggest using tools like recount and analyze that after each attempt/fight. Look for things like this:
-how many obliterates/death coils/etc did I cast? how many did he cast? Did I spend time running around? how can I shorten that?
-how hard did they hit for? Were there times during the fight that I could have been in a type of damage power up?
-and lastly, if you are like me and switch DPS specs inbetween fights...Did I refresh blood presence?

Main1984 · 08/25/09, 1:59 AM

Originally Posted by Venaliter

Long story short, stack hit rating as close to 289 as you can, then work on haste to ~300ish (cast 2 mindflays between MB) then stack crit rating, while maintaining the highest possible spell power you can.

Thanks man, that's what i was figuring out... problems with haste... I tried now to leave as much haste on my gear and I can get 350haste rating (hitcapped)... I think it should be better...

Will try it this afternoon on the dummie and let you know

Hope this works...

Ghangar · 08/25/09, 2:44 AM

Hey guys 1st time poster is it worth dropping my chest piece for the t8 chest piece?

The World of Warcraft Armory

Considerring with the t8 chest piece i fall short by 40 arp with arp gems and food buff

But is it worth it witht he 4pc bonus thanks!

semata · 08/25/09, 3:29 AM

Originally Posted by degeon

Hey guys, i was wondering at what exact level of crit it would be more beneficial to go ffb as opposed to ttw. Right now a few mages in my guild are telling me that they heard rumors that haste is almost pointless until around 70% crit unbuffed for ttw. i know this is not true but i would really just like to get the exact numbers so i know.

TYIA

As long as you can make the hit cap TTW/Fire will most likely provide you with the highest single target DPS, regardless of your amount of crit. And since TTW/Fire scales well with haste the mages in your guild are simply wrong, you should always want haste. As always you can/should use Rawr to tell you whether FFB would work out better for you at your current gear levels.

Sandyclaws · 08/25/09, 5:19 AM

Greetings,
Been following the forum for the last pass 6 months or so, and have really got good help, and tips to improve my gaming and my style of playing the Rogue class.
Now I got a quite simple question really: Is it worth to stack ArP gems into my gear, though I havnt yet gotten any ArP trinket? Mjolnirs Runestone havnt dropped for me yet, and neither has Grim Toll. Or should I simply wait til I get an ArP trinket?

My armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Ria · 08/25/09, 6:27 AM

I have a resto shaman, and I decided to use her for pvp atm. Now I have read this topic and I would like to know more about what stats are very important and what isn't. Like is haste really important cause of the fast heals in the bad situations? Or is juking it better? What amount of resilience should I focus on? And what gems are best to use.? A good spec? If some pvp information is on the class mechanics area, please direct me. I decided to try this haste thing out but I haven't really been in the Arenas to test it out yet. I have a friend who says that juking it is better then working on haste, her arena teams is high but still have alot of loses compared to wins. Just want to know which is best. I just would like to know more about stats, but you guys did give very good information about what to do in certain situations.