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Old 08/30/09, 5:29 PM   #7516
BeeLz
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Mage
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by TexanRebel View Post
ok i just hit 80 for the first time a week ago i have a fire 20/51/0 raiding spec and i would like to know the best rotation to use i have the molten armor, improved scorch and, and living bomb glyphs Thank you

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The proper priority should be maintaining scorch, refresh living bomb, Hot streak pyroblast and fireball in that order.

I would however take glyph of fireball instead of glyph of improved scorch. Unless you're the only mage and have to maintain scorch on several targets it's really not worth taking glyph of improved scorch in raids.

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Old 08/30/09, 5:58 PM   #7517
Duamil
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Earthen Ring
Originally Posted by BeeLz View Post
The proper priority should be maintaining scorch, refresh living bomb, Hot streak pyroblast and fireball in that order.

I would however take glyph of fireball instead of glyph of improved scorch. Unless you're the only mage and have to maintain scorch on several targets it's really not worth taking glyph of improved scorch in raids.
I don't think scorch has priority over LB or HS pyro.

LB -> HS pyro -> scorch (if needed/appropriate) -> fb/ffb


If you're mainly running 10-mans and are the only +5% crit debuffer present, the scorch glyph is generally a pretty decent idea. If you're running with a imp sb warlock or another fire mage, i'd go with the fireball glyph in place of the scorch glyph.

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Old 08/30/09, 9:02 PM   #7518
jromeo91
 
phantom
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Aerie Peak
Well, about spreadsheet. I am very skeptical about using it because, it is telling me that it is better to gem intellect than either agi or arp. Somehow, to me, that doesn't make any sense, at all. Anyway, I just wanted to see if Arp is as incredible as I predict it would be; enough to make it a prioritized stat similar to agi as survival.

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Old 08/30/09, 10:38 PM   #7519
Ymedead
Glass Joe
 
Undead Priest
 
Khadgar
Originally Posted by jromeo91 View Post
Well, about spreadsheet. I am very skeptical about using it because, it is telling me that it is better to gem intellect than either agi or arp. Somehow, to me, that doesn't make any sense, at all. Anyway, I just wanted to see if Arp is as incredible as I predict it would be; enough to make it a prioritized stat similar to agi as survival.
You're doing it wrong.
Read the how-to section of the spreadsheet and try it again.

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Old 08/30/09, 11:53 PM   #7520
Flameenix
Glass Joe
 
Undead Mage
 
Deathwing (EU)
Originally Posted by Duamil View Post
i'd go with the fireball glyph in place of the scorch glyph.
While Duamil is correct in this case, let's remind ourselves that the value of the least valuable "DPS Glyph" (i.e. either Fireball or Molten Armour) is of course mostly based on how much spirit you have.

I find that in my gear, when I am being made to Scorch, Glyph of Fireball is provides 10% more DPS than Glyph of Molten Armour. This is with 672 Spirit. However around the ~750 Spirit mark, Glyph of Molten Armour becomes more valuable than Glyph of Fireball, and continues to grow in value as you stack more Spirit.

These numbers I would imagine of course change based on your entire set up, but the best way to test which point your least valuable DPS glyph's are equal is toggling around with the Spirit multiplier on Rawr.

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Old 08/31/09, 5:00 AM   #7521
BeeLz
Don Flamenco
 
Undead Mage
 
Frostmane (EU)
Originally Posted by Duamil View Post
I don't think scorch has priority over LB or HS pyro.
Keeping the scorch debuff up should always be your highest priority, certainly when you don't have the glyph. A few seconds without 5% crit on the target is a huge raiddps loss compared to missing a HS pyro or waiting 2 seconds to apply LB.

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Old 08/31/09, 5:29 AM   #7522
Croaker
Von Kaiser
 
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Orc Warrior
 
Drak'Tharon
Having to macro the current warrior rotation is beyond lazy, it's just plain not caring whether you play your class effectively or not. As long as you're smart enough to figure out a way to trigger heroic strike when you need to (hint: the mousewheel works fantastically) the rest of the rotation is largely just hitting BT and WW as they come off cooldown.

Anyone that can't manage such a simple rotation should probably re-roll a DK, spec Blood, and enjoy your 2-button CastSequence macro.

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Old 08/31/09, 7:33 AM   #7523
spliff
Glass Joe
 
Troll Mage
 
<oRk>
Gul'dan (EU)
Could you stop replying to "hold my hand" questions in this thread, please? As far as i am informed, this thread: Mage: Simple Questions/Simple Answers would be the right place to do this. All this "thread-derailing" makes it kind of hard to track the posts that are on topic.

Thanks, and sorry for being "off topic" myself.

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Old 08/31/09, 7:52 AM   #7524
Pasture
Don Flamenco
 
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Blood Elf Mage
 
Steamwheedle Cartel (EU)
Originally Posted by spliff View Post
Could you stop replying to "hold my hand" questions in this thread, please? As far as i am informed, this thread: Mage: Simple Questions/Simple Answers would be the right place to do this. All this "thread-derailing" makes it kind of hard to track the posts that are on topic.

Thanks, and sorry for being "off topic" myself.
It's not just this thread. The mage threads are a bit of a free-for-all these days. Recently there was a full page of Fire mages discussing scorch and its issues in the Arcane thread, and likewise lots of theorycrafting concerning trinkets like Pandora's Plea when we have Rawr and BIS threads specifically for that. Unfortunately so many of the issues overlap it's easy to sidetrack threads.

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Old 08/31/09, 9:17 AM   #7525
Dknights
Glass Joe
 
Dknights
Orc Death Knight
 
Frostmourne
For the new patch 3.2 wlk
wat't the best Professions for disc arena now and futher more

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Old 08/31/09, 10:16 AM   #7526
Bonesyelf
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Dragonblight
My main focus thru my guilds progression thru Ulduar etc has been MT'ing majority of fights and OT the rest.

Recently I have been switching to Kitty DPS offspec more and more and was curious if anyone had any good, viable macros for Kitty DPS or if some macros are even viable.


Thanks

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Old 08/31/09, 11:22 AM   #7527
Naxtor
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Blackhand
Dagger speed

DuE to the new envenom change would slow slow overtake slow fast because how fast you apply dp becomes trivial after the first few seconds of a fight? Perhaps it would remain slow fast to make sure when you weapon swap dp has a greater chance of not falling off. The dagger you swap to for ip should be slow though if I'm not missing somehing, right?

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Old 08/31/09, 11:54 AM   #7528
sal
Von Kaiser
 
Gnome Warlock
 
Azgalor
The only macros i've used for space are combination macros. Abilities that effect bear and cat are on a second bar keybound to the shift modifier (1-6, shift 1-6, random other bindings used).

- bear form FFF, cat form FFF, humanoid moonfire
- bear form swipe, cat form swipe
- cat mangle, alt modifier FB
- bear form charge, cat form charge

You need to control every ability and choose what you're doing next as opposed to spamming abilities when available. A good habit is maintaining high energy as long as it never caps due to random CP generation. You can see my bar layout in a video from my comment.


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Old 08/31/09, 12:55 PM   #7529
Tyrantanic
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Stormrage
Originally Posted by Naxtor View Post
DuE to the new envenom change would slow slow overtake slow fast because how fast you apply dp becomes trivial after the first few seconds of a fight? Perhaps it would remain slow fast to make sure when you weapon swap dp has a greater chance of not falling off. The dagger you swap to for ip should be slow though if I'm not missing somehing, right?
I'd think Mutilate rogues would still want Slow/Fast due to Focused Attacks procs, but we might see a situation where weapon DPS takes precedence over weapon speed, for harder hitting mutilates.

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Old 08/31/09, 1:31 PM   #7530
thedudeabides
Von Kaiser
 
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Draenei Paladin
 
Stormrage
Gearing

Some quick questions, which i think should be answered in the first post:

Recent 80, I picked up FFB as my spec (lower mana cost, better hit, and good AOE for faster badge farming). As i gear up for serious endgame dps:

1) is my first priority to get 14% hit capped (i.e. gem/enchant everything hit) or is there a softcap i should reach and then gem sp?
2) when comparing items of the same ilvl, do i choose or avoid the ones with spirit? (i run with molten armor always, but it's not glyphed)
3) Glyphs: obviously FFB and Living Bomb glyph, without having a dedicated scorcher, do i glyph scorch or do i get more by molten armor glyph and just build/maintain scorch debuff?
4) for activating the meta gem, do i use 2 purple sp/spirit or sp/spell penetration?
5) does spell penetration even work and do i need a certain amount of it?
5) how do i choose between haste and crit? (i.e. are there approximate softcaps for these)
6) at what point gearwise will i see better boss dps by switching to FB-ttw or arcane?
7) is it reasonable to say that all mp5 items are worse dps-wise than equivalent non-mp5 items?
8) in AOE situations, assuming the mobs will survive over 12 sec, how many mobs should i LB on before flamestrike and blizzard? i usually do 2-3 with LB.
9) do i want to pop trinkets and mana gems (2p t7) before or after mirror image?

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