Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 507

greenjello · 09/01/09, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by Nodflenders

So i just check the combat arpen spreadsheet and realize you get more dps from randoms pieces than t9 form heroic toc. so is better use that pieces without the t9 bonuses?

Use. The. Spreadsheet.

Chrissy · 09/01/09, 7:56 PM

Originally Posted by Arawethion

It's a good point, I think, it's worth looking into more. One of my next projects was going to be some better analysis of current trinkets, and so I'll probably be playing with the value of haste during Lunar in the spreadsheet. I'll have a better idea of how to quantify Hyperspeeds then, and it's probably more worthwhile to wait until I get that done than to post napkin math on the forums.

Looking forward for your take on this. me not being a star TC and silently following your guys advice but using common sense ofcourse

Nodflenders · 09/01/09, 8:29 PM

hey guys i just check the arpen spreadsheet and realize that you get more dps form random parts than t9, so is better get that parts instead of bonuses from t9?

LiQiuD · 09/01/09, 10:30 PM

forgive the lowly geared among us, but i have a question.

I'm mut spec wielding a 1.3 sec blue dagger in my offhand with a 1.8 in my main hand. I'm considering going from the 1.3 to a 1.7 purple dagger that is 15 dps higher, along with a few improved stats. It's a pretty nice upgrade for my offhand, and brings it inline with my main hand as far as stats are concerned.

Should i do this, or hold out for a 1.5 sec or faster dagger to drop?

Thanks in advance.

crazykujo · 09/02/09, 1:59 AM

So I was going to make sure before I spent my dkp on a trophy. That it is a good move to switch 4pc t8 with 2pc tier 9. And was wondering if pallys should stay away from haste . And wats a healthy amount of haste

Elamahpla · 09/02/09, 2:27 AM

Originally Posted by crazykujo

So I was going to make sure before I spent my dkp on a trophy. That it is a good move to switch 4pc t8 with 2pc tier 9. And was wondering if pallys should stay away from haste . And wats a healthy amount of haste

You can use Rawr to check DPS values on tier items.

Arikah, any chance of you having some parses with Death's Choice/DMC:G on?

I ask because I'm fairly certain that they seem to proc together, though not 100% sure. I'll have to do some testing this week to confirm.

Edit: Just looked over some of your Parses and saw that they had a similar amount of up time, though you had a PvP trinket on so I cannot confirm this, but it does look like they share an odd mechanic and do proc together as well as share an ICD, will have full report my tomorrow.

sunderland · 09/02/09, 3:01 AM

Hi just a quick question what are the Crit , ArP and haste caps

Dak01 · 09/02/09, 3:16 AM

Originally Posted by LiQiuD

forgive the lowly geared among us, but i have a question.

I'm mut spec wielding a 1.3 sec blue dagger in my offhand with a 1.8 in my main hand. I'm considering going from the 1.3 to a 1.7 purple dagger that is 15 dps higher, along with a few improved stats. It's a pretty nice upgrade for my offhand, and brings it inline with my main hand as far as stats are concerned.

Should i do this, or hold out for a 1.5 sec or faster dagger to drop?

Thanks in advance.

Yes. Go with the 1.7 but switch out those TPs from TtT and put them into MP, perhaps only two... run it through a spreadsheet to get a more accurate reading on how many points are required in MP for optimality, if you feel it's necessary.

3.2.2 ushers in a change that will effectively quash the desire for a fast OH (mut spec) as DP stacks will not be consumed on an Envenom... (consequently) the speed at which a player can re-stack DP will be irrelevant.

Xeroskills · 09/02/09, 3:48 AM

Yep, I agree once you get enough expertise, I would just replace that with DS glyph specially for ToC.

Xeroskills · 09/02/09, 3:49 AM

Nerf prot in PvP go? I'm a paladin and even I agree this is bad. 4 lives are no fun >.<

Xeroskills · 09/02/09, 3:51 AM

I hate the changes to our int. Now we need to get a bit more gems. = /

Xeroskills · 09/02/09, 3:53 AM

Originally Posted by Mist

You always ran out of mana pretty fast on training dummies using consecrate.

Yeah, During a 5 minute test on the training dummies I go oom at least 5 times. During raids I hardly ever go near oom because most fights require moving around which means more time to Regen. So doing a long DPS test on dummies isn't a good idea. Imo just go do patch 10 with a variety of classes and see your dps.

Tromit · 09/02/09, 5:26 AM

Hi Guys I can see alot of you who is raiding has begun to spec arcane/fire insted of Fire/Frost. WHy is that is ? and at what stat should I got for that spec?

my mage: The World of Warcraft Armory

Eléndar · 09/02/09, 6:01 AM

Frost is sub-par for raiding, as it lags in DPS behind both arcane and fire. Do you mean fire/ttw or do you mean frostfire bolt by the way?

I have some questions of my own: how much haste, crit, spellpower and hit rating (in exact amounts) should I be aiming for for arcane and fire/ttw? I've been told 2000+ sp, 400+ haste, 25% crit self-buffed and 9% for arcane and 15% for fire (I always thought it was 8% and 14% respectively but was advised to add another 1% - please ignore my hit rating right now, I'm in the middle of reshuffling gear.) And could anyone perhaps direct me to data showing how much of a difference there is between arcane and fire/ttw in terms of raw dps output (and possibly the same for warlocks and mages)?

Psykewne · 09/02/09, 6:06 AM

Originally Posted by Xeroskills

Yeah, During a 5 minute test on the training dummies I go oom at least 5 times. During raids I hardly ever go near oom because most fights require moving around which means more time to Regen. So doing a long DPS test on dummies isn't a good idea. Imo just go do patch 10 with a variety of classes and see your dps.

You're also forgetting all the other buffs you have in a raid.