Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 508

Whalehunt · 09/02/09, 6:30 AM

Thank you for your efforts.
i changed some gears and gem settings of MM to get DPS of 10844.32 as follows:

Main Hand Hellion Glaive (H)

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Red Socket 2 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Head Windrunner's Headpiece of Triumph (H)

Meta Socket 1 Relentless Earthsiege Diamond (21 Agi)

Yellow Socket 2 Deadly Ametrine (10 Agi, 10 Crit)

Neck Collar of Unending Torment (H)

Blue Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Shoulders Epaulets of the Devourer

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Back Silvanas' Cunning

Red Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Chest Breastplate of Cruel Intent (H)

Red Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Blue Socket 2 Nightmare Tear (+10 to all stats)

Yellow Socket 3 Deadly Ametrine (10 Agi, 10 Crit)

Wrist Bracers of the Silent Massacre (H)

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Prismatic Socket Fractured Dragon's Eye (34 ArP)

Hands Sunreaver Assassin's Gloves (H)

Red Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Red Socket 2 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Prismatic Socket Fractured Dragon's Eye (34 ArP)

Waist Waistguard of Deathly Dominion (H)

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Red Socket 2 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Prismatic Socket Fractured Dragon's Eye (34 ArP)

Legs Windrunner's Legguards of Triumph (H)

Blue Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Red Socket 2 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Feet Greaves of Ruthless Judgment (H)

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Yellow Socket 2 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Ring 1 Band of Callous Aggression (H)

Blue Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Ring 2 Planestalker Band (H)

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Trinket 1 Death's Choice (H)

Trinket 2 Darkmoon Card: Greatness

Ranged Weapon Fezzik's Autocannon

Yellow Socket 1 Fractured Cardinal Ruby (20 ArP)

Ardeaf · 09/02/09, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kronys

/cast kill shot
/cast [modifier: shift] blood fury
/castsequence [modifier: ctrl] rapid fire, call of the wild, blood fury

so where i'm having the problem is it will not cast all of them while hitting ctrl. it will always cast kill shot and the first one.

as you can see what i'm wanting is on normal click - kill shot
shift - Only blood fury
then when i hit ctrl it will cast all of them together as a dps burn.

i'm fairly new at macros so it may just be a easy error, but any help would be great!

Take out the cast sequence, you don't need it. Since Call of the Wild is a pet ability (isn't on your GCD) and - correct me if I'm wrong - Rapid Fire does not invoke a GCD you can have this as your new macro:

/cast Kill shot
/cast [modifier: shift, ctrl] Blood Fury
/cast [modifier: ctrl] Rapid Fire
/cast [modifier: ctrl] Call of the Wild

I think the quoted macro will work.

I'm no macro expert but with castsequence if it hits something in the list that's on cooldown it stops. I know I'm constantly experiencing the bug where Call of the Wild is flipped back to auto on zoning. If you aren't watching for this and it's on cooldown, the macro hits it and stops because it can't cast it.

You don't need Call of the Wild to be in a cast sequence since it is not on your GCD, it's on your pets.

feinord · 09/02/09, 7:17 AM

Waiting version for Excel 1997/2003 Compatible :O

Sirael · 09/02/09, 7:17 AM

edit: already posted...

Jarheaded · 09/02/09, 7:49 AM

Currently right now with my current gear setup, it is showing ArP at a 1.1065 value.

Should I be socketting ArP then?

I want to add that according to the spreadsheet, the more ArP gems I socket, the higher the value of ArP becomes. I was under the impression that Str is the staple stat for fury warriors.

Armory Link: Here

I might want to add that I gain about... 60 DPS for regemming all my gems to ArP

crazykujo · 09/02/09, 9:01 AM

Originally Posted by Xeroskills

Yeah, During a 5 minute test on the training dummies I go oom at least 5 times. During raids I hardly ever go near oom because most fights require moving around which means more time to Regen. So doing a long DPS test on dummies isn't a good idea. Imo just go do patch 10 with a variety of classes and see your dps.

< weird, i dont run out of mana at all on training dummys, prob cuzz my belt gives me int. who know /shrug

cigs · 09/02/09, 9:11 AM

I’m running a 15/56 spec, with 2 points in Go For the Throat. Aimed shot is favoured in a lot of survival specs for good reason, however using the spreadsheet I see a 50-60 dps loss from the pet moving 1 point from GftT to Aimed shot. I can’t see any justification for using Aimed over Multi Shot on the merit of straight DPS on a standing target (ie the movement advantage of Aimed discounted)

Second point, taking Multi Shot (or in fact Aimed if it was specced) out of my rotation, increases dps by around 50 +, primarily because MS/Aimed are very mana inefficient compared to Steady, and I go oom 10 secs earlier – ie 84 secs instead of 94 secs.

I run 10 mans, so OOM is a real possibility. I have 2 points in Hunting party. Ulduar 10 level gear for the most part, and 39% crit.

I thought these points were interesting, although perhaps obvious to some. Especially the 2 points in GftT, no survival spec really recommends this. Any comments? Am I missing something?

Laidback · 09/02/09, 9:29 AM

I have never been one to live by what a sim says. I spank blood dk's all day long in my frost spec. I actually have been testing out dropping a point from BCB and using that for UA.

Here are some parses.

Anub'arak

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

LJ

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

As you can see on LJ I was about 300 dps ahead of the blood dk. Anub is a bit more random as we had 3 attempts. I sat at a 6K average if you check the other versions of the fight. I thought this was pretty decent considering the amount of downtime we had as the adds there are extremely easy to control.

The only thing that has frustrated me a bit about the DW frost spec is that in order to hit my max dps I have to keep razorice stacked up. In a mobile fight (esp fights like Gormok) where i have to swap back and forth between him and the snowbolds I lose dps like crazy. In the TOTGC, I start off pushing over 7K (Close to 9K with AOTD active, as we have been trying to burn him as fast as possible to alleviate the stacks on the tanks before the worms come out) but swaping drops me way way down on dps and I end up in the high 4's to low 5's. I understand that this is due to the mechanics of the mobile fight and the ad swaping but I leave myself wondering if razorice on the main hand would be more viable in a situation such as this. I should be able to do this as I can use both weapons as main handers. What are your thoughts on this?

Here you can see our hard mode attempts and where I sat with the Hardmode Northrend Beasts last night.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

I averaged 5100 dps over our 7 attempts.
Here is an example of my ramp down from swaping adds...I ramp up to over 10K then right back down to 5k.
World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

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In the case of Unbreakable Armor.
I use unbreakable armor during every fight. I see a significant dps increase when it's proc'd. I have it up for bloodlust 99% of the time and the dps increase is insane when I use it. I leep reading that it "could be" a dps loss if not proc'd at the ideal time. I agree with this. I have proc'd it then been cc'd, feared, stunned, or knocked back and lost quite a bit of i's uptime. But on the other hand when it is used and I am able to benefit from it's entire uptime it is something that I feel that no dk should be without.

to be 100% honest I don't like sims. I want to see parses from encounters as RNG isnt taken into account in the sims.

Th only thing i am not 100% sure about is if it's a better idea to take a point from KM instead of BCB. I have seen the 0/54/17 build being used and it is definitely outputting viable dps. 10% difference in BCB being proc'd or the max KM proc? I would like to see the differences between these and will be swaping them about tonight.

lynx0880 · 09/02/09, 9:46 AM

Working on mimi, yay.

Ossian666 · 09/02/09, 9:59 AM

Having 2 points in GftT is over kill for any spec. Your pet will have way too much focus to spend and nothing to spend it on. One point is optimal for keeping your pet in that magical spot of just the right amount of focus to keep the abilities rolling smoothly and not sitting idle.

I personally have run lots of 10 man Ulduar and finished ToC last night, and I've never really had mana issues in 10 mans. It may be that we specifically build our 10 mans to include all the buffs you'd have in 25, but it may also be my use of time. If you get a gap in a fight make sure to be using viper to grab that 1k mana.

In all of my attempts to recreate your results I had a hard time doing so. Can you give us a break down of your spec and glyphs? Using my spec and changing points around to how I "think" you are doing it gives me a loss of roughly 33 dps.

Riqi · 09/02/09, 10:06 AM

Ahh, that looks a lot better, thanks!

Drakbak · 09/02/09, 10:08 AM

Originally Posted by Tsook

Normalized only refers to the AP contribution. Average weapon damage still affects the damage most special shots do, meaning that between two weapons of equal DPS, the slower one will do (somewhat) more damage with multi/aimed/chimera/kill. Slower weapons do maintain a lower uptime on Quick Shots, though, and other fixed proc percentage things like Master Tactician (and to a lesser extent, Thrill of the Hunt and Expose Weakness).

Most shots' damage calculations look more or less like this:
Weapon Damage + [ammo DPS * 2.8] + [AP/14 * 2.8] + [static amount]

Notably, Explosive Shot doesn't have any weapon damage contribution, it's entirely based on your AP. Because so much of survival's damage comes from ES, it's somewhat less affected by weapon dps and sees only a very minor effect from average weapon damage increases.

I would guess the reason Argg0 is seeing 40 DPS difference is that he's Marksmanship and the combination of a few DPS gain from higher average weapon damage and a few DPS gain from the agi and crit is enough to get there. Or else he's not recalculating correctly on the gear planner.

My mistake

Ongor · 09/02/09, 10:21 AM

yeah getting new gear that is better than t8 is going to a work in progress.

I, myself, just bought the t9 triumph helm. I figured to get this first due to it being my offset along with the 4pc t8.5.
Later during ToC10 I got the 232 Spirit Walker shoulders so I have been messing around with using non-tier8.5 (which I am still working on seeing the dps increase/decrease).

I figured if I was going to drop 4pc, might as well go with just keeping the 2pc instead of a waste with just a 3peice.

i went with [Looming Shadow Wraps] along with the [Pauldrons of the Spirit Walker] and [Thrall's Helm of Triumph].

So leaving me with a 2pc 8.5 (chest and legs).

I will do some parses and see what ends up being the most dmg.

I may switch my boots back to the [Footsteps of Malygos] for more haste.

my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

*yes, I do know my gloves are'nt enchanted yet. i gemmed them late last night after our raid, and did't get to it*

Zawu · 09/02/09, 11:21 AM

Hey guys, my first post here

I know that heroic target dummy dps is not relevant for you, but i just want to ask one thing.

Today i was doing heroic with this death knight,

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Chromaggus&n=Fallen%C3%A4ngel

he started to laugh at me that i am so low on dps :p yeah so i got pissed of course and after heroic we did dps duel on dummy. Now my steady dps on dummy is about 3900 with my cd, ghoul up ofc. So it was this time obviously

But! (lol) She did 4500dps, laughing at me... Well as you can see i don´t have bad gear, i am using standard 2h obli rotation, using my cooldowns on time, i feel like i really can´t do better with gear that i have...
I was thinking if it isn´t some bug or something because its ridiculous to me, maybe it has something to do with loads of armor penetration she has?

Thanks for the answer guys and sorry that i am a bit off the topic

4u2nv · 09/02/09, 11:57 AM

Long time reader first time posting. Im just curious if anyone sees anything i need to fix with my toon as well as i need to change his name. lol so any ideas would be great. This was a alt that became my main. Now im curious to also know what kind of dps numbers i should be putting out. I always seem to be low even in heroics and uld 10-25.

here's my toon : The World of Warcraft Armory

I'm thinking a funny name like vendingmachine or mageyalook, waterboy.... etc etc