Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 509

Vercgetorix · 09/02/09, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Zann

i don't think a sv want to see LnL proc during BL =/

so... I'm ArP capped... should I spam SS/Aim during trinket's proc or should I keep my normal rotaion with CS?

Assuming that you popped your on use abilities to coincide with it, Blood Fury or whatever you have, I think you would want to see it proc.

forecore · 09/02/09, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Zawu

Hey guys, my first post here

I know that heroic target dummy dps is not relevant for you, but i just want to ask one thing.

Today i was doing heroic with this death knight,

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Chromaggus&n=Fallen%C3%A4ngel

he started to laugh at me that i am so low on dps :p yeah so i got pissed of course and after heroic we did dps duel on dummy. Now my steady dps on dummy is about 3900 with my cd, ghoul up ofc. So it was this time obviously

But! (lol) She did 4500dps, laughing at me... Well as you can see i don´t have bad gear, i am using standard 2h obli rotation, using my cooldowns on time, i feel like i really can´t do better with gear that i have...
I was thinking if it isn´t some bug or something because its ridiculous to me, maybe it has something to do with loads of armor penetration she has?

Thanks for the answer guys and sorry that i am a bit off the topic

maybe he was spreading diseases to nearby dummies and his HS surely hit the dummy next to the targetet one.

AFKWhilestunned · 09/02/09, 4:31 PM

So I haven't seen anyone chatting about the new ToC 5man trinket and I'm wondering how it stacks up

[Banner of Victory] to other trinkets I have access to like the [Meteorite Whetstone]. I'm using those two together right now but I also have [Sphere of Red Dragon's Blood]. I know this is a little lower on the performance scale than what's usually on here but I did a [CTRL]+F for Banner on all pages in this thread and didn't get any hits.

I have tried various setups on the target dummy but everything seems to come out the same @ ~2700dps (which seems low) Sorry I don't have my EJ account tied to my Shaman (might be in pvp setup, I'll try to get logged in pve gear).

Thanks in advance.

Shyan1 · 09/02/09, 5:09 PM

this is my profile : The World of Warcraft Armory
now i was looking at rawr..
and apparently there are gears that are from the lower lvl instances with lower lvl iLvl and such and it doesnt make sense to use that item. Plus there are a few questions in gear... make me wonder how the F*ck it would be better...
like first of all... how a 12sp and 10 spirit gem is better then a 23 sp gem?
the bonus would only be +5 sp.. if you matched for the bonus... but 10 spirit is nothing...
another is The World of Warcraft Armory
apparently is worse in dps then The World of Warcraft Armory
how does that make sense?
and im way over hit capped with both...
the combustion adds no extra stat but spirit, and the bracers of unleashed magic add more haste and a few more points in sp.

according to maxdps.com i have some best in slot gears.. but according to rawr my gears lack.
even with a set bonus from t9, that bonus is crap.. it only adds like 1% crit with spirit.
another example:
i have The World of Warcraft Armory
but according to rawr the t9 chest peice The World of Warcraft Armory
apparently is better? and i lose +crit and +haste

anyone have an explination of why some of these things are better?

Astrylian · 09/02/09, 5:28 PM

Originally Posted by Shyan1

this is my profile : The World of Warcraft Armory
now i was looking at rawr..
and apparently there are gears that are from the lower lvl instances with lower lvl iLvl and such and it doesnt make sense to use that item. Plus there are a few questions in gear... make me wonder how the F*ck it would be better...
like first of all... how a 12sp and 10 spirit gem is better then a 23 sp gem?
the bonus would only be +5 sp.. if you matched for the bonus... but 10 spirit is nothing...
another is The World of Warcraft Armory
apparently is worse in dps then The World of Warcraft Armory
how does that make sense?
and im way over hit capped with both...
the combustion adds no extra stat but spirit, and the bracers of unleashed magic add more haste and a few more points in sp.

according to maxdps.com i have some best in slot gears.. but according to rawr my gears lack.
even with a set bonus from t9, that bonus is crap.. it only adds like 1% crit with spirit.
another example:
i have The World of Warcraft Armory
but according to rawr the t9 chest peice The World of Warcraft Armory
apparently is better? and i lose +crit and +haste

anyone have an explination of why some of these things are better?

If you want specific answers, you need to post your character file. To answer what we can... Maxdps.com is terrible if you care about accuracy, don't use/trust it. Sounds like Rawr is finding items with more int and spr to be better, probably due to you running OOM. Make sure you've checked all appropriate buffs.

Also, lose the attitude, and make an effort at posting next time.

Fonzey · 09/02/09, 6:04 PM

We run with three druids in a 10man strict guild - and non of us has ever taken a visit from a snobold, and tonight we had to endure 14 wipes on the HM flavour of the fight before giving up and going VoA!

On our very first attempt, we lost the MT at about 10% on Gormok, and the worms came out at that point. We battlerezzed the MT and finished off Gormok, unfortunately half of us had switched off at tank death and assumed a wipe. A proper wipe followed soon after.

Confident, we barrelled back in there - but never saw the worms again...

Our tanks who are geared enough to manage Ulduar10 hardmodes were just getting stomped all over by the second rotation.

We've got a holy paladin who can keep up with the damage if the taunt rotation is correct, a druid and priest assisting and taking care of raid healing - but if just one of them gets an unlucky streak on the fires, or a snobold - it's game over and we lose a tank.

We've been seriously humbled by tonight - and I'm hoping we missed a very important fight mechanic which we should be using to our advantage. We made zero progress in the 14 wipes we endured.

After 1shotting Anub'arak on our first try normal mode - and recently having success with Ulduar hardmodes, we had confidence going into this heroic instance... so much for that.

Sordel · 09/02/09, 6:38 PM

Thank you ... that clarifies things a lot for me.

Ulfaro · 09/02/09, 6:45 PM

Red, thanks for posting this. It provided me additional information to make an informed decision.

abqrvalg · 09/02/09, 6:49 PM

Hello.
My current PvE talent build is 18/51/2. As the weapon spec I chose "Close Quarters Combat" because, in my opinion, C&C spec is better than sword spec. I had [Greed] whic ilvl is 200 and crafted [Titansteel Shanker]. I gemed for agi and critical strike rating mainly. But few days ago I got [Aledar's Battlestar]. Of course it's much better than my current MH Fist. So may be gems for Armor penetration and mace spec would work good together but there's one big problem. You can't get fast mace with approx speed of 1.5 easily...

Your suggestions?

Btw, here's my armory: The World of Warcraft Armory

Thalis · 09/02/09, 6:57 PM

We have just recently finished our 10-man HC raid and found Anub'arak close to impossible, much harder than normal. In P1 we offtanked and killed all Burrowers, in P2 we tried to nuke adds and create 6 Permafrosts one by one as people needed, to immediately stop spikes. In P1, when we killed both Burrowers that appeared, another 2 spawned, usually stayed alive until Burrow phase started, and required too much attention. Because of that we had very low dps on boss and were not able to get only one Burrow phase - and with 6 Permafrosts only, I think that second burrow phase means wipe. Trying to tank adds and keep them for Burrow phase was impossible - 4 Burrowes simply tore our tank to shreds, and people were instantly killed by 40k Shadow Strikes. We had to blow Heroism from start and quickly nuke boss and adds with all we've got, just to take him to ~65%HP. Is our raid dps too low, or the problem lies elsewhere?

Cowfever · 09/02/09, 7:31 PM

Originally Posted by Binkenstein

Unfortunately, you'd be about 90% wrong.

You still want to cast FS & LvB during BL, Flame Shock dot doesn't use up 3 seconds (you'll most likely have a 1 second GCD at that point), and anecdotal dummy testing is never the best way to support an argument. Additionally, you've failed to realise that a 1 second 10.5k damage spell is going to be more dps than a 9.5k spell that takes 1.2-1.3 seconds to cast (depending on haste).

Heading back to this claim, Flame Shock for me does MAX of 8k including the initial hit + DOT

If this is true would you still go back to LB spamming or would you still go with Lava Burst Crits > Lightning bolt Spam?

Kurano · 09/02/09, 9:12 PM

I've been reading the boards and I've noticed that many people are switching to armor pen for gemming instead of AP and Agi. My question is at what point should I start gemming for ArP? I've seen several different numbers online and I'm not sure what the "magic number" is or even if its worth it. Can someone fill me in?

Kurano · 09/02/09, 9:37 PM

I've been reading the boards and I've noticed that many people are switching to armor pen for gemming instead of AP and Agi. My question is at what point should I start gemming for ArP? I've seen several different numbers online and I'm not sure what the "magic number" is or even if its worth it. Can someone fill me in?

vrannar · 09/02/09, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Astrylian

Oh, definitely don't add up their values. If you look at the Main Hand chart, what you see is the value of staves, and the value of main hands plus your current offhand. (That's why it allows you to select an offhand along with a staff, but grey's it out; it's used for mainhand comparisons).

As far as the enchant goes, the comparison charts aren't especially useful there, and you'll want to use the Optimizer; it doesn't yet know how to use 81sp on staves and 63sp on mainhands, so it'll always use the current enchant, which is valued at 0 on mainhands if it's 81sp.

If you still don't see staves at all, check that you haven't filtered them out somehow, in the top right, or if you've refined them out in Tools > Refine Types of Items Listed.

Thanks for the help.

Vrannar

ohdammyo · 09/03/09, 2:05 AM

What are some MUST HAVE rogue addons? i have a few i like but i know there are better.
my current set up:
Bartender
Scrolling combat text
DBM (obciously)
OmniCC (cooldown timer)
omen ETC.

but i need some improvments on my UI.

Can anyone please lend a helping hand?