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Old 09/15/09, 8:03 PM   #8071
evadin
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Silvermoon
Bloodforlife

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Old 09/15/09, 8:04 PM   #8072
evadin
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Silvermoon
Resto4life is a great site!

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Old 09/15/09, 8:05 PM   #8073
evadin
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Silvermoon
I hope FoK doesnt get demolished.

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Old 09/15/09, 9:38 PM   #8074
Oblique
Glass Joe
 
Orc Rogue
 
Kargath
The spreadsheets lack the gear I have currently, I have full tier 8.5, 20 AGI gems in each slot (minus the one blue and yellow required for the META to work) I am torn between what weapons to use, the spreadsheet does not list the weapons I have.

Currently I am combat using Razorscale Talon and the off hand sword off of 25 man Naxx Faerlina
I am curious if the 10 man ToC dagger (Orcish something) would be better in slot then the off hand from naxx, also if I am better off to go back to fist/dagger I have clams grasp plus the dagger I listed above.

I would not be asking this question if the spreadsheet listed the weapons I currently have. Nor does it list the rings I currently have it gives me an inaccurate reading

Character name is Oblique, armory if you please.

Thank you

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Old 09/15/09, 10:24 PM   #8075
Quinine
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Human Rogue
 
Sinstralis (EU)
Hello,

The spreadsheet now indicates I should go for an Eviscerate only cycle, but I would like to know how is that modeled.
I would imagine it is some kind of 5s5eXe where the X depends of rng cp and energy generation. But, just to be sure you know...

Thanks

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Old 09/15/09, 10:39 PM   #8076
Kabuo
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Human Rogue
 
Stonemaul
You will be better off with Calamity's Grasp and the 10 man toc dagger. The 1.4 speed and higher ilvl make it a superior OH, while the higher ilvl of CG combined with the better OH will make it easily surpass your swords.

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Old 09/15/09, 10:44 PM   #8077
Tinwhisker
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Dwarf Rogue
 
Scarlet Crusade
Originally Posted by Quinine View Post
Hello,

The spreadsheet now indicates I should go for an Eviscerate only cycle, but I would like to know how is that modeled.
I would imagine it is some kind of 5s5eXe where the X depends of rng cp and energy generation. But, just to be sure you know...

Thanks
Spam 5pt Eviscerates, when SnD is close to dropping use whatever CPs you currently have to refresh it. It's very simple.


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Old 09/15/09, 11:48 PM   #8078
NeuroMedivh
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Human Death Knight
 
Greymane
New PTR Build incoming. Time to spin the Wheel of Nerf!

Out of 20 spots on the wheel, we have the following:

1-3 = Change to Blood Strike's dmg modifier, random amount.
4-5 = Frost Aura has it's mitigation and/or hp bonus changed up or down by 3-5%
6 = SS gets buffed by 5% for one PTR build.
7-8 = SS gets reduced by 5% permanently.
9 = Dancing Rune Weapon has it's duration doubled, but the amount of damage it does is cut by 75%.
10 = 1 Random DK Glyph is changed to something completely different.
11-13 = The 21 point talent switches places with the 51 point talent. 11 for Blood, 12 for Frost, 13 for Unholy.
14 = Dancing Rune Weapon has it's duration cut in half, but the amount of damage it does is buffed by 25%.
15 = If Bone Shield has 4 charges, it now has 3. If it has 3, it now has 4. If Bone Shield CD is 1 min, it is now 2 min, and if it's currently 2 min, it's reduced to 1 min. Regardless of either of these, it's effective dmg mitigation is reduced by 5%.
16 = Blood of the North is now 5 talent points. I mean, 3. No, 5. Fuck it, lets just split the difference and call it 4.
17-19 = No changes this week. That you know of, muhahah!
20 = Win a Trip to Haiti!

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Old 09/16/09, 5:12 AM   #8079
taaveti
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Taaveti
Blood Elf Rogue
 
暗影之月
Originally Posted by tedoubledy View Post
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I was a bit curious on the discussion about weapon swapping posted before. To me the MP change definitely would allow room for you to swap out daggers (assuming you have another OH dagger equivalent to that of your current) while the DP is ticking but has anyone done any analysis on what the mutilate DPS would look like if you did not weapon switch? If blizz made the changes to bring mutilate's DPS closer to that of combat how close are we getting? I would like to think that weapon swapping is not something Blizzard had in mind when they decided to make these changes as Aldriana pointed out before.
From what I remember the weapon swapping for mutilate was based on the old MP which gives envenom both the chance not to drop and the increased chance to apply DP, which gives a 100% chance to reapply with a single swing when it's about to drop. With the change that it no long increases the chance to apply DP, you'll need to swap the DP OH back in earlier and I'm not sure the extra damage from the OH IP would be worth the chance of DP dropping+lost of 1 swing. But then, this of course will need some confirmation.

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Old 09/16/09, 5:21 AM   #8080
Arreia
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Hunter
 
Cenarius
Current Item with Regem

Hey guys, I know that this question has probably been answered many many times, so sorry about that, but I didn't really feel like searching through pages and pages of forums to find my answer. Anyways, question: What exactly does the "Current Item with Regem" thing mean in the gear planner and/or how do I get rid of it. And no the answer is not simply putting a different gem in my gear to get a dps increase, or else my "Back" would not have a "Current Item with Regem" option and my shoulders would not get a 137.0 dps increase from a simple gem change. Also, my trinkets also have a "Current Item with Regem" dps increase... which... is odd... EXPLAIN GOGOGO!

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Old 09/16/09, 5:49 AM   #8081
Kaap
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Tauren Warrior
 
<Nox>
Draenor (EU)
Originally Posted by jimmiejackso View Post
I have been Arms since the middle of Ulduar, and now about to respec Fury. My question is, like Arms if you don't MR or GT is socketing Armor pen better then stacking strength for fury? Or should I be stacking all strength?
This is something I too am wondering. And after the next patch with the percentage reduction, would it be viable at all for Fury?

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Old 09/16/09, 6:33 AM   #8082
phasedrake
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Orc Warrior
 
Thrall
Thanks Gruntle, that helps a lot. I'm not too worried about ArP, considering that Blizz said they were going to remove it in Cataclysm, but I was having trouble following all the spread sheets and formulas for the other stats, of which it was doing little beyond giving me a headache trying to understand half of it.

Last edited by phasedrake : 09/16/09 at 7:36 AM. Reason: minor spelling mistake

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Old 09/16/09, 9:06 AM   #8083
Varaben
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Undead Rogue
 
Dalaran
I am considering breaking my 4 pc bonus, but without a runestone or a grim toll is going evisc specced even worth it? I have a trophy from 25 normal and I was thinking of buying the pants (for the armor pen) then use my 10 man gloves (the nonset armor pen ones) and the calamitous fate chest. Is it even worthwhile without an armor pen proc? If I buy the nonset helmet next from badges and socket all armor pen I will probably be around 500-600 passive. That doesnt seem like enough without one of the trinkets though. Any thoughts?

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Old 09/16/09, 10:05 AM   #8084
Valyrra
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Undead Rogue
 
Emerald Dream
Your best bet would be to grab Aldriana's latest version and throw the gear in to see. Most of the questions can be answered there, just takes a little tweaking to configure for your gear.

From a quick glance at your gear and taking the few pieces you stated into account it would be close, but probably still not worth it. The 4/5 t8 is very powerful and like Aldriana stated previously, takes a fair amount of good off pieces to make taking it off work.

But for sake of a more exact answer grab a spreadsheet and plug them in.

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Old 09/16/09, 10:08 AM   #8085
sillymofo420
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Draenei Shaman
 
Elune
Elemental haste cap

can anyone tell me the elem haste cap before diminishing returns

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