You elitist jerk you!

i was wondering if anyone could tell me that avg TPS they are putting out while single mob tanking and what roation they use for UH

oh my GOD, I love 44/27/0 that much more.

Hi guys,

I've was comparing arms and fury on a heroic dummy yesterday, cause I'm not sure what spec is putting out the most dps with my current gear. A couple hours later I came to the conclusion that I was doing more dps in arms (I believe it was around 150/200 dps more). But still I keep reading that fury clearly out-dpses arms in raids. Does this also go for my situation? I know I'm not fully soft-hit capped (344 hit / 361 needed) atm but that's easily gained. So I'm asking you guys, should I respec fury or stay in arms for now? And if I should stick to arms now, when would be the point to respec?

Thanks

(P.S. I know most of my enchants aren't the ones that are supposed to be there)

WOW! This is a hugh thread and alot of useful information, THANKS GUYS!!

Now I'm reading that the next patch will be removing the hit modifier on TG! There's is so much information I probably missed someone mentioning this.

PATCH 3.0.8

Hi, a mate of mine asked me to post here so they would check his post up at mmo-champion its about the muti raid spec u provide in the topic

Mutilate Raid Spec!

plz reply there or discuss it here thx it advance

Oh, the dead horse has been kicked all over the place long ago. This is more like digging up the dead horse to send it to the glue factory, making sure every part gets used but only by kicking said parts into the machienery delivery gates, and then kicking the glue too.

Numerical Balance Druid Hit cap?

deleted

I don't think it matters that this is a dead horse. There is clearly an interest in the discussion of WotLK's flavour of these market events, despite the fact that history is probably just repeating itself. And in the process of discussing these regurgitated topics, some new insights might just pop up that people can benefits from.

i can´t really remeber if the more powerfull Immolate thing already was implementet in BC, since then i casted no dotts so my question was this implementet with WOTLK or not, because in my opinion it´s rather annoying if you want to reapply a dot because you have some time when you can´t cast fillernukes and the message pops up and you have to recast again perhaps loosing a gcd you could have used

The glyph description says............ "fast enough to walk on water" like that Dash kid in the incredibles movie.

Hey, Im using the Valorous Dreadnaught Legplates currently, and today i obtained the Legplates of double Strikes. i want a simple answer to whom of theese two legs are the best one fit for a warrior Dps. The ArP rating on the Double strikes legs seems very nice, only with a bit less crit as the valorous ones, and loosing the Exp rating over the Arp rating, wich is of no issue for me atm since im on 190 Exp rating. And from what ive picked up on the spreadsheets on this forum, ArP Affects ur Dps by alot, especially during execute spam time.

Anyone could come to a conclution for me on wich legs to go with ?

I also have a question About Fury warrior Weapons.

Betrayer of Humanity in MH and Armageddon in OH or 2x Betrayer or 2x armageddon (200 haste from 2 weps are insane, and might overdo the dps output you could get from Betrayer of humanity, even tho the axe has way more dps and bigger Max Hit etc)

Thanks for any replies who can make me get an easier time choosing what to go for.

Phatty.

I suppose someone has to ask the noob question about which enchant LOOKS cooler.

When you're into cutting edge content and such, looks don't matter and you only look at min/maxing stats.
However, looks are one of the fun parts of being a slacker casual :P

What graphics do the new enchants come with? Can't peak at them in-game since i'm on exile from wow during exam period.

Im curious as to which is the top meta gem for affliction warlocks. Right now I am using the chaotic skyflare diamond, but have also heard good things about the ember skyflare diamond. Any suggestions to which is top for affliction?

With all the hub hub about Mutilate a better dps build I am trying to switch from Combat which I have been for all of my PvE raiding life. But when hitting the boss test dummy I am just no where near what I can achieve with Combat on the same test dummie.

With combat I was getting in excess of 1500 dps but with mutilate I am only getting 900dps on recount. The only thing I changed out was [Reaper of Dark Souls] [Fang of Truth] for two [Librarian's Paper Cutter] keeping the same Greater Potency enchants on them.

Mut spec is 51/13/7 and spreadsheet says IP on MH and DP on OH and 4178.19 DPS. My spell rotation is HFBx3 while in stealth, come out of Stealth with a Garrote then the following.

SnD
Mutilate to 5 CP then
Rupture if no need to refresh SnD with Envenom (cold blood before Envenom if possible)
Envenom if Rupture still up and HFB doesnt need refresh
Keep HFB up all the time
Keep SnD up all the time

My stats are
Damage 417-418 (MH: 356.7dps) (OH: 267.6dps)
Speed 1.27/1.27
Att Pow: 3040
Hit Rating: 185
Crit Chance: 27.86%
Expertise: 12/12

I have SnD and Rupture Glyphs.

Am I doing something wrong, I have read up on this and I know my hit rating is a bit low and expertise but surely that would not make a reduction in dps of 40%.

I would really appreciate some experienced mutilate rogues giving me some advice, this is frustrating as I really want to try a mutliate build but I know I am not getting what I should out of it.

No, and this is explicitly answered in many places in these forums. Please do a search before asking such questions.

hokay, here's a question im still slightly iffy about, 2-3 talent points for 10-25 mans.
80 moonkin raiding spec planned
i dont think mana will be too much of an issue after raid buffs and such, so i thought the full 3 points in intensity would be a safe-spot . but from hearing the amount of AOE on some of these bosses, would it be better if i pu some points from intensity into owlkin frenzy? 10% flat dmg increase is nice, but how viable is it in boss raids?

i guess in summary, how good is Owlkin Frenzy for raiding?

Well i don't see a problem on lotheb as u can pre heal as a druid however i doubt it would a problem if all else fails just bring 2 paladins haha go you tube and see the 3hr 15min epic fight

I would like to make a bit clear the glyph discussion so i m gonna list the glyphs which benefit our dps ( the best ones ):

1)[Glyph of Bestial Wrath]
2)[Glyph of Hunter's Mark]
3)[Glyph of Serpent Sting]
4)[Glyph of Steady Shot]
5)[Glyph of Arcane Shot]
6)[Item not found!]
7)[Item not found!]
8)[Glyph of Trueshot Aura](ofc this is only inteded for MM hunters but I thought of adding it cause its a must have for MM hunters)

So lets take em 1 by 1 :
1) With readiness not affecting BW anymore i think this glyph is a must for BM hunters.
2) A very good glyph imo which adds 60ap to all hunters that are in the raid (20% of 300base ap of hunter's mark)
I would like to know if this glyph stacks with the talent 'Improved Hunter's Mark' which i guess does but would like a verification. If this is true i guess the MM hunter in the raid should take this glyph for maxed out Hunter's Mark ap bonus.
And with the next patch i see more hunters switching to MM.
3) With the change on this glyph (+6sec duration of your serpent sting up from +3sec) i consider this a very good glyph since it gives u 4 more 'free' gcds
4) Enough have been said about this glyhp - must have no question about it
5) I have serious doupts that this glyph is worth it. A normal fight lasts around 6min so thats 60 arcane shots (max) so the mana benefit from this glyph would be 60x50mana(aprox-cant log in wow atm cause prepaid ended)=3000mana.
Now i dont rly know any precise way to measure what the dps gain is from 3000mana but if u think about how much time u need to 'waste' in order to gain that amount of mana in AotV, its about 10sec in which u suffer -50% dmg, and if u compare 10sec to 6min(360sec) its 2.8% of the time the fight lasts. and considering that we will do say 65% of our total dmg after the patch (rest 35% from pet-which isnt affected from AotV 50% reduction) its a 1.8% dmg bonus overall.
6) For this one i cant rly go so deep in theorycraft and math so ill let u guys do it. Tho by the looks of it - and since haste benefits hunters so little, it doesnt seems convincing to make it to the top 3 glyphs
7) Imo with the upcoming nerfs on our pets, the usage of AotB while BW is up will not be a dps boost and we will keep using AotD - so i think this glyph is useless for us after patch comes live ( would like some more theorycraft about using AotB during BW with the upcoming changes)


So to sum it all up - for me the top 3 glyphs are :
1)[Glyph of Bestial Wrath]
3)[Glyph of Serpent Sting]
4)[Glyph of Steady Shot]

And since i think the best combo is 1BM(or more hihi :P) and 1MM hunter in the raid after the patch ill list the glyphs i, as a BM hunter, would like the MM hunter to have:
2)[Glyph of Hunter's Mark]
4)[Glyph of Steady Shot]
8)[Glyph of Trueshot Aura]


Would like your comments about all the glyphs and your top 3 grlyphs (which ull propably use after patch)


PS: yay on my first post in the forums

Edit: As Robobobr said just below me the trueshot glyph isnt what i thought it is so im not quite sure if its good enough for MM and i dont rly care as a BM hunter if the MM hunter will or will not have it :P

Way to blow your own argument.

Why would you need a from MM if you're BM?