Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 555

Smighty · 09/22/09, 9:28 PM

Hello, I'm new to warrior and I've just started using rawr. It is telling me that Meteorite Whetstone is better than my greatness card and grim toll. I am over the hit cap by 100 because of my gear, but is it really better than greatness?

Narub · 09/22/09, 9:33 PM

Been having some trouble lately with choosing with weapons to use so some help would be appreciated (mostly due to the fact that I don't know the accurate stat values for arcane)

Weapon 1:

The 10man Heroic staff Illumination

Weapon 2 combo:

Relentless Gladiator's Blade of Celerity + Ironmender

Comparison:

Weapon 1: 738 SP, 145 haste, 122 crit, 10 spirit (with gems & enchant)
Weapon 2: 861 sp, 84 haste, 0 crit, 46 spirit (with gems & enchant)

So now I was wondering the diffirence seems to be (Weapon 1 >< Weapon 2): -123 sp, +61 haste, +122 crit, -36 spirit

Clearly the sp/haste should have around the same value but I was wondering if the 36 spirit and the extra sp will outweight the 122 crit on Illumiation.

An answer would be appreciated or accurate stat values per point so I can calculate this more accuratly, thx for the help!

ap95fouel68 · 09/22/09, 9:50 PM

I have been playing a druid for about 7 months and enjoy being Boomkin DPS. I hear and read of 3.5 to 4k dps and even higher. I begin with FF, IS and SF...wrath until I crit. I can pull a few crits that do 15k, but overall I still end at 2.7 - 2.9k.

I would like to break 3k and would like advice from someone who has also been at this point.

It's my first post, so be nice please!

PL

Lysis22 · 09/22/09, 9:54 PM

I've been looking all over for envenom and eviscerate math, namely for combat. Is the envenom buff grounds for changing to 5snd/5r/5envenom? Without armor pen gemming? (i'm at 225 armor pen without gems, and mjolnir, with 4/5 8.5).

Thanks in advance,

First time poster, long time reader.

Heal · 09/22/09, 9:55 PM

While on the subject of trinkets what are your takes on the new trinket set from Onyxia.

[Shiny Shard of the Scale] - Shiny Shard of the Scale 96/mp5

[Shiny Shard of the Flame] - Shiny Shard of the Flame 600/hp5

* (2) Set: Increases spell power by 250.

* (2) Set: Your direct heals have a chance to cause Cauterizing Heal. (Instant Heal for 2530 to 3092). Your direct damage spells have a chance to cause Searing Flame. (3192 Fire damage over 12 sec.)

do you think this set will be a better choice then [Show of Faith] + [Solace of the Defeated] ?

Feist-Mok · 09/22/09, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lysis22

I've been looking all over for envenom and eviscerate math, namely for combat. Is the envenom buff grounds for changing to 5snd/5r/5envenom? Without armor pen gemming? (i'm at 225 armor pen without gems, and mjolnir, with 4/5 8.5).

Thanks in advance,

First time poster, long time reader.

Envenom isn't worth using if you aren't using Instant Poison.

Instant Poison isn't worth using without somewhere between 3 and 5 points in Improved Poisons.

QED:

Envenom is not worth using for a Combat Rogue.

ShoGuL · 09/22/09, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Narub

Been having some trouble lately with choosing with weapons to use so some help would be appreciated (mostly due to the fact that I don't know the accurate stat values for arcane)

Weapon 1:

The 10man Heroic staff Illumination

Weapon 2 combo:

Relentless Gladiator's Blade of Celerity + Ironmender

Comparison:

Weapon 1: 738 SP, 145 haste, 122 crit, 10 spirit (with gems & enchant)
Weapon 2: 861 sp, 84 haste, 0 crit, 46 spirit (with gems & enchant)

So now I was wondering the diffirence seems to be (Weapon 1 >< Weapon 2): -123 sp, +61 haste, +122 crit, -36 spirit

Clearly the sp/haste should have around the same value but I was wondering if the 36 spirit and the extra sp will outweight the 122 crit on Illumiation.

An answer would be appreciated or accurate stat values per point so I can calculate this more accuratly, thx for the help!

Rawr is your friend.

Brocklanders · 09/22/09, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by Fargom

Just to run it by the community before I include it in an edit of the OP, I don't think this post received the credit it deserves. Mostly my fault for not seizing on this and including it in the OP. It appears that Virulence is the correct sigil for DW frost. It looks like it slightly wins out on single target, and obviously is better for multi target fights. With the focus on multi target dps for the harder fights in ToC I think we can move forward with suggesting this sigil for frost.

Any concerns?

I'll also be removing the unholy DW obliterate specs, I'll work on simulating a SS alternative and see if it is competitive. Either way, the DC spam spec remains a solid unholy option. Its actually not hard to imagine a SS DW build being competitive, scourge strike has a fairly small portion of its overall damage from the weapon itself. If anyone has anything they feel needs to be included or removed in the OP other than what I mentioned let me know. I've got a sneaking suspicion that 3.2.2 is tomorrow.

Sorry if I'm the only one that doesn't understand completly
why exactly is Sovh better than SoA?
I have both sigils and can't understand why Vh is better.
The only conclusion I can come up with is that on AoE
fights I us FS more as my AoE rotation is not necesarily
based on Oblit but more spread my diseases and FS
spam whenever I can as a way of filling time when AOE-ing
I'm sorry if I my seem ignorant but I truely don't know the
answer and as I only raid 2-3 times a week I would really
like to be geared and ready to go. More explaination
is greatly appreciated and thank you all for your help.

foxglove · 09/22/09, 10:46 PM

Accordng to Feral Druid Numbers (updated for 3.2.2), the new hardcap is 1400 ArP. This makes the softcap 788 with Grim Toll or 735 with Runestone. The original post should probably be updated with these numbers.

Narub · 09/22/09, 11:22 PM

Sure if Rawr actually had the relentless gladiator weapons in there.

edit: found it in their anywhere but ofc it was the 245 one, guess with editing it, it will be fine.

Dlonyer · 09/23/09, 12:04 AM

I picked up the 196 dps Gutgore Ripper from 25man Ony tonight. I'm completely clueless on how it stacks up against my Twilight Mist that I have.

Any ideas?

rENaitre · 09/23/09, 12:33 AM

I have to admit that tonight's 25 man raiding put me in a down mood. I knew the 1 sec was coming but didn't realize how much it was going to effect our damage. Tonight in Ulduar and VoA, I saw myself go from top 3 damage down to #10 or even lower with the same roatation and in the group with the highest cps players. Less combo points, Less finishers, less energy, eesh.. someone say it isn't so

Kinoshi · 09/23/09, 1:28 AM

Nevermind.

Heal · 09/23/09, 2:36 AM

yes but the onyxia combo gives 250 Sp between the two + 96/mp5 and 600/hp5 as well as the chance for instant heal, how is that so much less then what u just mentioned?

gia · 09/23/09, 5:12 AM

With the latest changes, I'm curious about how many targets on average does it take for blood boil to out dps the new heart strike.