I have been reading through all these posts and to try and figure out what would be the optimal spec for me has gotten so confusing.

I downloaded the spreadsheet and plug in my gear and it tells me to use all Attack power gems.
of course the sheet gives me a rough estimate of 6380.7 DPS. hmm I must be missing 2.5k DPS somewhere.

However as I read thought the posts it is more evident that you can either go Armor pen or Agility.

As a combat Rogue using the standard build of 15/51/5. The choices are mind boggeling.

My Forum name is the same name I play as a Rogue.

The information is informative but in a lot of cases just a lot of rambeling.

no question in here really just a lot of rambeling.

Use a spreadsheet to reach your own conclusions.

I've done this, and added all of my (pretty bad, to be honest) gear to the sheet, but I still can't select it on the Equipment sheet.

Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong? I'm not quite good enough with Excel yet to figure it out for myself.

All I've done so far is add a new row along the bottom of each set of gear which didn't have what I wanted, entered in the statistics and copied the formulae from the item above it.

Probably because the european armory site was down for maintenace yesterday.

Hello all u ppl.
First of all thanks for all the information u share here. It is very helpfull.
This thread has overcome 37 pages already and it's kinda hard to find something in it , as it usually happens with such big threads. And

Can u please share some values for stats which holy pallies use ? Or just a link to thread with current values...
Somewhere around there used to be thread with such values for PAWN addon but it got moved somewhere.

Thank u in advance. (and yes, i'm very lasy to calculate myself, but still i keep searching and know what does botton 'search' mean )

Hello there !

Like most, I'm a long time reader of these forums but this is my very first post. Those readings helped me a lot in optimizing my little gnome warlock.

As a long-time demonology warlock (yeah, I remember the good old times of MD/Ruin in BWL, and I even began MC as a SL warlock with my faithful felhunter), I am on DP-duty in my raids.
I love the playstile and I am a dedicated supporter of the non-permanent meta. Though I'm a little disappointed to see my dps lagging below my warlocks comrades. It's quite frustrating to use my destruction double spec and gain 1k dps with an easier rotation.

I tried to post some constructive feedback on the Damage dealing forums, but as a European player I'm not allowed to log in and post there. Since it's impossible to get some attention elsewhere, I'd like to share some input with you, and if we gather some interesting ideas, maybe a US player can report this to the official boards. We're talking PVE here, so pvp-boys, begone !

What do you think demonology is lacking right now that would make it a viable spec ?

Imho, the biggest problem with demonology right now is its clunky rotation, especially when you have to constantly change the distance between you and the boss.
Right now demonology has the most clunlky rotation af the three specs, juggling with two dots, a curse, and two fillers with a trinket-like meta that adds range complexity.
Immolation aura is a great tool and gives the spec a devastating AoE potential. Even on single target, it's worthwile, but requires you to be in melee range. That makes it unusable during execute phase, whereas the spec has to be at mawimum range to unleash its full potential.
SF weaving was a fun mecanism and it renewed the playstile which is great, but it is hard to set up, especially during fights where a lot of movement is involved. A 1:1 weaving is almost impossible to achieve in most situations, refreshing dots and running around makes it even harder.

What could solve these problems ?

Decimation needs a little more flexibility. I understand it is not possible to make SF proc on SB casts cause that would lead to /stopcasting macros and you'd only use SF.
What could be a solution is allow SF procs to stack. Maybe up to 3 or something, or give the buff a short duration that doesn't enable you to stack huge ammounts of procs before unleashing them (and not burn down someone in pvp for instance, even if LoS issues prevent you form firing too many spells anyway). This way you would be able to keep up with the 1:1 weaving a lot more easily.

Blizz saif they wanted to fix the decrepancy between DP and ToW before Cataclysm. So be it, let ToW scale with spellpower the way DP does, but the talent then need to be buffed.
Something that has been said multiple times is that the talent needs to give something to the warlock himeslf, be it a 1% haste or crit per talent point or whatever.
I'd also suggest that the 3% crit that ToW gives should be merged into DP. Let the pet crit apply a 3% crit debuff on the target and I'd call it a deal.

Those are easy enough fixes I guess. But I may not be enough to bring Demonology dps on par with Affliction and Destruction. Let's call it a good start.

If I had to give some ideas to increase further demonology dps, I'd go with a talent that works a bit like hot streak. Let's say that if the pet crits twice in a row you get a free SF, or something. Then give us a "kill command" ability that guarantees a pet crit on a short cooldown. Revamp meta abilities too, buff shadow cleave to make it usable and then replace the taunt by something else. But this may be off-topic...

What do you guys think ? (Sorry for my poor English, I'm a French player)

Use rawr to calculate those values, imho. Since for healers they are not set in stone, you can easily think of encounters where stat values differ drastically.

Hi everybody

I am in need of some help, to improve my dps, but also to get knowledge about what stats i need to either improve on or totally change.

The World of Warcraft Armory

I am in this moment gemming enchanting conquerors siegebreaker battleplate chest and Hellscreams Gauntlets of Conquest. I sure hope they will boost me alittle.

To be honest i have over the last 4 months only played shaman, and only really been look at his stats and improving him. Only used the warrior to grind.

I have raided alot with my warrior in the past, and i started out as fury and i did very well, (been thinking about going back), but id like to be arms, and ive found a rotation for arms, when fury got nerfed and i changed to arms, that made me of of the top dpsers, but now i am lacking behind so hard, just even putting out over 3k dps is a problem for me. I am therefor also looking for some help to find a good rotation i got a fairly good idea on how to but i just aint getting the dps.

My rotation is: MS-Rend(to get deepwounds)-Execute(whenever its available)-Overpower(whenever its available)-Heroic strike(when i have over 40 rage). Ofc if MS is ready at anypoint doing this rotation and execute and overpower isnt ready and rend is ticking i use it.

I am aware that my gear is not up to date / it could be better.

I hope you can either give me direct links to help me solve the above problems, or are willing to make a thread to incorporate most of my problems and soloutions for each.

Thank you all! in advance and kind regards,

Rageless/littlefoxy1337

Utter and complete nonsense/fanboyism.

Bolvar would firstly rather set fire to his own face than live on as an undead abberation, and even if he did not he would understand where his former best friend were coming from in attacking him. He's not a petty, angst-ridden fool like the vast majority of forsaken (and forsaken fans).

Did I miss something? Is there a benefit for combat weapon swapping? Why is combat even swapping weapons, isn't the main reason because of Envenom?