Im 90% sure you would want to use Dual-Blade Butcher in your off-hand because it was said somewhere on here that Bryntroll in your off-hand is equivalent to Aesir's Edge... from Ulduar...
This is a question from a non-warrior: One of our Fury warrior just so happens to have two Bryntrolls. I've read in the Fury discussion that it's not a good idea to use both since you don't get a lot of off-hand proccs. Before that he had the Saurfang 10-man weapon (non-heroic). I asked him if he saw a DPS increase and he told me yes, now I can't really believe that so I want to check that.
Could someone tell me real quick if it really is a DPS increase to have Bryntroll twice instead of Bryntroll/Saurfang weapon.
I could just use a simulator or something like that, yes, but I'm at work right now so that's not possible.
Thanks for the idea of using that seed to reapply the corruption with the 4p bonus and nmic. In the end, I should wait to activate the nmic until I get the 4p bonus then?
Also Was reading through the gemming part of the article. Up until Now I had been gemming all the yellow slots with the plus 20 haste. is the 12SP 10 Haste really that much better? I've almost reached the 1 sec cast of UA and Haunt with my current level of haste and I am slightly confused on whether or not I should sacrifice some for some SP.
Use Simcraft to determine ur stat values - calculate ur stat values. personaly in my last simc 12sp and 10 haste equals to 20.353 sp for my gear and with standard +5 sp socket bonus that is 25 spell power instead of normal 23sp gem, when it's obvious that 23 sp is better than 20 haste+5 sp socket bonus, unless u got really low haste.
23 sp > 12sp 10 haste > 20 haste, but 12sp/10haste with socket bonus is usualy better than 23 sp.
I just got the non heroic Cryptmaker, and I'm currently using Bryntroll. Assuming I'm at the hit cap already, which is better? I would just add up the EP's for Unholy but I dont really know how to valuate Bryntroll's current proc.
Can someone give me some suggestions for Unholy dps and assuming all the hit wouldn't be used? My sim is reporting Bryn as still better, but I dont know if Team Robot WoW Simulator is up to date on Bryn's proc or perhaps flawed in some other way unkown to me.
IIRC Cryptmaker is better than Bryntroll since the nerf but you might want a second opionion on that or you test it yourself.
This is a question from a non-warrior: One of our Fury warrior just so happens to have two Bryntrolls. I've read in the Fury discussion that it's not a good idea to use both since you don't get a lot of off-hand proccs. Before that he had the Saurfang 10-man weapon (non-heroic). I asked him if he saw a DPS increase and he told me yes, now I can't really believe that so I want to check that.
Could someone tell me real quick if it really is a DPS increase to have Bryntroll twice instead of Bryntroll/Saurfang weapon.
I could just use a simulator or something like that, yes, but I'm at work right now so that's not possible.
Thanks.
well you could use landsoul's spreadsheet and import his profile from the armory...
but the problem of using 2 Bryntrolls is not the off-hand procs... its that you lose ALOT of stats... there's basically no way
you can get Arp/Hit/Exp caps with 2 Bryntrolls unless you totally gimp your gear or have full 277 items.
as a side note... Bryntroll as OH isn't that bad as everyone claims... it's better than any of the 251 icc10 weapons as long as you can keep the Arp/Hit/Exp caps.
OK I do decent damage on mobs in ICC but I think my DPS could be higher on bosses. My question that everyone seems to have a differenct opinion on is, on bosses (ICC specific) am I better of dualing Bryntroll/Dual butcher or using two Bryntrolls.
depends which Dual Blade Butcher... if you have the 245 then the Bryntroll is better IF you can keep the ArP cap without the DBB
do we have any data on which spec is top DPS now DW frost or UH ( or are they both close enough that we can pick the one whose playstyle we like the most).
Im 90% sure you would want to use Dual-Blade Butcher in your off-hand because it was said somewhere on here that Bryntroll in your off-hand is equivalent to Aesir's Edge... from Ulduar...
not everything that is written here is holds the undisputed truth. Bryntroll is far from an optimal warrior OH... or MH for that mater... but that doesn't mean it's garbage...
as a fury warrior you do 14-15% of your dps from melee white dmg... that is your Offhand hits... so there is pretty much no way a ilvl232 ulduar wep with 232 DPS like Aesir's is gonna beat a 294 DPS wep like Bryntroll... and also bigger melee hits means more rage
and as OH it used to do 1.5% of my dmg with the proc (i have 260 average ilvl exp/hit/arp capped) which isn't as great as MH but it is better than nothing...
Basically if you have ilvl 232/245 Bryntroll will almost always be an upgrade (no brainer here wep DPS cannot be worked arround without changing the wep... while arp/hit/exp caps you can fix by swapping other gear around/regeming)
If you have an icc251 wep then it may be better than Bryntroll depending on how much you need the hit/expertise/arp from it.
If you have 258(togc25 or arthas) then it will probably be better than Bryntroll as OH because the small wep dps gain and proc won't compensate for the huge loss in stats.
do we have any data on which spec is top DPS now DW frost or UH ( or are they both close enough that we can pick the one whose playstyle we like the most).
As far as I understand DW Frost is the only spec we discuss here..
not everything that is written here is holds the undisputed truth. Bryntroll is far from an optimal warrior OH... or MH for that mater... but that doesn't mean it's garbage...
as a fury warrior you do 14-15% of your dps from melee white dmg... that is your Offhand hits... so there is pretty much no way a ilvl232 ulduar wep with 232 DPS like Aesir's is gonna beat a 294 DPS wep like Bryntroll... and also bigger melee hits means more rage
Out of curiosity I checked my Landsoul's spreadsheet with my setup. Funny enough in the offhand slot Aesir's comes ahead of Bryntroll in the offhand by a little. I dont know of any proc calculation issues with Bryntroll so I'm assuming it pretty accurate.
Hello!
I have all gear from normal plate BiS list, except Tiny abomination trinket (and SM ofc =). Is this a good choice to get over hit cap using Mark of Supremacy trinket (50 emblems of triumph) ?
Now I have DMC:G and Whispering Fanged Skull trinkets.
Playing around with PTR tests (may not be entirely accurate due to having to use workarounds for the icy talons refresh bug) I'm getting DW Frost > 2h Unholy with 2h Frost being close behind that. No, that latter portion is not a joke. For the sake of space, I'm just posting the end DPS values instead of 4 giant tables, could always be posted later or people could run the tests themselves.
From Kahorie's Sim with my current stats (mostly ICC gear, armory may currently show me in my T9 set):
DW Frost 0/53/18
DPS: 10426
2H Frost 7/51/13
DPS: 9626
2H Unholy 12/0/59
DPS: 9719
2H Unholy 0/17/54
DPS: 9745
I get the feeling the DW Frost is a bit inflated, but it's hard to say right now. The sim seems to do some strange things in terms of DW weapon scaling. 2H Frost is using an obviously experimental build and GoD, there's probably better optimizations there that could result in slightly higher DPS. Not bad though for a spec declared officially dead by Blizzard.
I played around a little bit with enhancement and i have to say nice work.
I am in the office and can check items, dps etc this is very nice
But the are some differences to EnhSim in the output.
Ive been running long time with low expertise now but since i've got a "superior" gear as i like to think ;-) i've started to think should i even start geming some expertise with next item changes?
As you can see my gear from armory i've been thinking next change to items:
I've had the Polar Bear Claw Bracers in backpack for some time waiting for use and now i've got enough frosts to buy the Castle Breaker's Battleplate. If i change the Gendarme's Guirass to Castle Breaker's Battleplate and the Polar Bear Claw Bracers in use I will reach ARP hardcap easily and can even gem some strength or expertise what ever...?
I've noticed that with good buffs in 25man raid I'm around 9000DPS now.
No that trinket is really bad. It would probably be better to use the T10 gloves + hit gem/enchant if you still need hit. Even the t9 gloves would work if you don't want to spend frost badges on T10. But as with all these kinds of questions use Rawr or a spreadsheet will give you the best answer.
Question about t10 4peice compared to the 264 item level gear...
According to sites like Shadowpanther... that 264 chest and waist are some of the best gear in the game, except for some hard mode loot. I have 161 badges of frost saved up, and already have my 2 peice (shoulders and legs), and I am wondering if I should spend that on the waist (currently have 251 icc10 lady deathwhisper belt) and chest (245 chest)
or if I should buy the 251 chest and head t10 peice and get my 4 piece bonus.
depends which Dual Blade Butcher... if you have the 245 then the Bryntroll is better IF you can keep the ArP cap without the DBB
Doesn't depend really, MH bryntroll and OH dual blade butcher.
The off hand is merely a lovely stat stick, hence why agility swords such as QD or Reckoning/edge of agony are considered as some of the best off hands.
Weapon dmg would be afflicted by both OH penalty and TG's 10% so the weapon damage and the low proc aren't making up for the loss of stats affecting main hand such as ArP or crit.
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OK, I have a noob question here (a few as a matter of fact)
By default im a arcane mage, but I was wondering if it might actuelly be beneficial to use fire in any of the first 6 bosses in ICC. Thats how far i've gotten so far. Any opinions.
I spent a point on the slow talent, but I kinda miss the 3 yards range I lost from moving a point from magic attunement. I pretty much only use the slow talent on saurfang. Is the talent useful on more fights, with out me noticing? If it really only have its use on saurfang it hardly seems worth it with earthbind totems and hunter frost etc.
What is you opinions on these question? Thx in advance
Oh yeah, is there some addon that can help me take off Ice Block, I constantly click off some buff because I miss-click.
I was recently asked to switch to arms from fury for a trial (they already had a fury warrior) I thought, heck how hard can it be, it's just another rotation and with some practice I'll master that as I've done fury. But it seems I'm banging my head bloody against a wall here.
I've read this thread, I've run the spread (and rawr), I've spent hours in heroics and on the dummy. My rotation os the basic, keep rend up, MS > SD > TB with slam in between but I can't squeeze any dps out of it. Single target standing still in 25 man I can push about 7.1 - 7.5, that's about what I did as fury only difference is I now raised my gear from average ilvl 240 to ilvl 255 (exp capped, hit capped, soft arp capped for the needle) (Atm in armory I have the wrong bracers, usually have the titan crafted totc). Is arms that inferior or what am I missing?
also, as soon as there is some movement involved I drop 1-2k quickly. Yesterday on LK 25 man normal I had a hard hard time getting over 6k (I was keeping sunders up as well then though). Landsouls spread says 8.5k, I'm no where near that and dps is really crap when moving. What am I missing, please advise..
(and I pull about 4.8k on the dummy selfbuffed over 5-6minutes)
@ Saian: I have been having the exact same problem with TfB Rend Procs. I Always Use the OP that procs from the last rend tick, before refreshing rend, so that the internal cooldown is gone and TFB procs again on 18 seconds instead of 15. However several times I have noticed that I still end up gettin a tick on 15 seconds and then sometimes next one will come on 6 seconds instead of 9 seconds which means getting back to as if it was following the proper 4 proc rotation. So a mix between the 3 and 4 proc rotation of TfB although I refresh it in a way it should pop only the 4proc rotation. Also sometimes more often than not, the last tick of TfB when rend will fade does not come as you mentioned as well. I am also wondering if this is due to my lag, server lag,instance lag or the famous lately ICC Patch 3.0 Global Lag. I have found myself getting this on heroic dummies as well sometimes.
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Heroic Dummy DPS: 5.500 over 7 mins with 245 ilvl gear
Any more input on this? It's really startin to pi** me off. It's really ruining my dps. I can't get anywhere 8500dps anymore, the spreadheet says I should be doing 9600dps!
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