Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 576

Hidden · 03/02/10, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Saruk

What stat is causing fire to outpace arcane in BiS gear?

Crit is definitely the stat that Fire scales much better with. Rawr even suggests me to gem 12 SP/10 Crit not only for yellow but also for red gem slots in full BiS Fire gear.

Some numbers according to Rawr using a 4k SP Demo Lock, Gnome as race and Engineering/Enchanting as professions:
Arcane BiS: 14989
Fire BiS (No Phylactery): 15459
Fire BiS (Phylactery): 15687

Randomraid · 03/02/10, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Imua

Hrmmm... PTR notes say that in 3.3.3 the 4pc T-10 set bonus becomes:
This bonus now increases the effectiveness of the caster's Power Word: Shield and Renew spells by 5%.

Better than nothing, and something to appeal to both disc and holy now.

^ this, can someone put some numbers on this. whether its worth picking up 4peice for disc/holy or just go with off peices to increase sp/stats

Oograr · 03/02/10, 11:47 PM

i just won the 264 version of Unclean Surgeon's Gloves tonight. I know it sounds redundant but i also have logs that could be used for the 2pc and 4pc HEP values. I'm uncertain if the 4 piece bonus is worth not using those gloves and the crafted mail legs.

Elamahpla · 03/02/10, 11:50 PM

Just to let you know, [Scourgebane] been hotfixed and no longer works on 264 iLvl weapons.

Dymlos · 03/03/10, 12:17 AM

As of 3/2/2010:
Serrated Blades: This talent now allows the rogue to ignore up to 3/6/9% of the target's armor, rather than a fixed amount of armor ignored per level of the rogue.

Lucai · 03/03/10, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Bossakula

One contributor to the "better scaling" with fire is the trinket slots. Specifically, the [Phylactery of the Nameless Lich] from Sindragosa. Since this trinket provides no benefit to Arcane, the "BIS" arcane gear set uses an i258 level trinket.

Also, for most classes (including fire spec), Sindragosa's trinket is currently modeled as stronger than the Dislodged Foreign object (at equivalent gear levels, i.e., i264 compared to i264 and i277 compared against i277).

The benefit of running an i277 Phylactery and i277 DFO (compared to the same DFO and a Reign of the Dead) accounts for a fairly significant portion of the difference (perhaps as much as half).

The Ruby Sanctum should drop trinkets (data mined procs) which may bring arcane back to the top in 3.3.5.

Airraid · 03/03/10, 1:05 AM

And that's also ignoring the fact that you'll more than likely have 0 hit rating (or 1% as a Draenei) which makes keeping FS up rather impractical, to say the least.

Hakaboy18, you have allot of room to move in your gear so don't be too impatient when spending those frost badges. You don't have a haste weapon yet so that's a good place to start planning your next move, plus by the time most of those 251's become 264's you'll be allot closer to the cap then you are now.

Deadlybeauty · 03/03/10, 1:22 AM

Other than getting PVP gear (the obvious part), I am in need of a spec for PVP.

Can anyone help me?

Obsolet · 03/03/10, 2:20 AM

thought so.

Thanks.

happyskippper · 03/03/10, 2:35 AM

thank you. completely spaced how ap directly works with wep speed.

ildon · 03/03/10, 3:45 AM

Priest - Arena Junkies Forums is your best bet for PvP info.

nathanaos · 03/03/10, 5:05 AM

Originally Posted by samot

The shown DPS is only for a theoretical, perfect single-target-battle and depends very much on the buffs.

Usually your real dps will be ~2000 dps lower, except you fight multi-target or are a really good player with an ideal raid setup.

You can select which buffs are active. Also the gap should be smaller that 2000 DPS because otherwise it will defeat the whole point of theorycrafting.

Pond · 03/03/10, 5:10 AM

the [Earthsoul Boots] linked for the BIS list for heroic version is improperly linked to the non-heroic version

Namnalia · 03/03/10, 5:35 AM

In my opinion, any other list makes no real sense as it would only be very temporary equip for dedicated raiders. For example, no guild will kill Arthas and not do the Gunship Hardmode next ID. Everyone knows the general rules like socketing right or reaching the hit cap via equip, gems and talents. If you really want to make a BiS-gear without hardmodes, you are free to use the stat weights from this thread or simcraft and use one of the methods I explained in the T7/T8 lists (which are useless now, I just keep them to show how you could make up a list for yourself). In my opinion, just taking any clear upgrade while having a BiS-list in mind is the best choice. Only fools would leave out every drop but the BiS-item. I can only image very rare cases where this does not work out perfectly, like strict 10-man raiders or something. Of course I respect those players, but they are really a minority and will probably be used to work things out for their own. And if you really are never going to do any hardmodes, just take away the "heroic" from the gear and you have a good composition as well!

badboyhulk · 03/03/10, 5:36 AM

@ Oograr - it depends on what ilvl you are aiming for. At full 264lvl gear, the legs are the correct offpiece, while at 277lvl, it would be the hc version of those gloves. You can find the entire dicussion here, and some related ideas spill over to the next page or two. Obviously varies according to your personal HEP values.

[Resto] Best Practices: PvE Healing Discussion

@ Pond - those are crafted boots, there shouldn't be a Heroic alternative

Shadowfáde · 03/03/10, 6:50 AM

•Serrated Blades: This talent now allows the rogue to ignore up to 3/6/9% of the target's armor, rather than a fixed amount of armor ignored per level of the rogue.

Burx · 03/03/10, 7:48 AM

Beast Mastery
Ferocious Inspiration now also increases the damage of Steady Shot by 9%.

Somewhat decent boost to BM to b ring it in line with the other specs i guess. :O

wilegenuis · 03/03/10, 8:10 AM

Another graphical effect with using volley is the impact of the distance of the hunter from the volley target.
From the way it looks from the graphics, the farther you are from the volley target, the less time the volley will work
It seems that part of the 5.7 seconds the volley is working is the distance it takes the volley to reach the target.
Therefore if the hunter is far, the distance takes 1.5 seconds, and only 4.2 seconds will the volley works.
If the volley target is nearby, then volley work for a longer time on the target.
Is that only a graphical effect and the distance between the hunter and the target does not affect the volley impact, or is it best practice to perform the volley as close as possible to the target?

bigdan · 03/03/10, 8:20 AM

Hello everybody! :o)

What are your thoughts about shaman surviability? Very often our shamans (ele/enh) are the first players dying. Not by failing, but by normal raiddmg. And its seems they have NEVER ankh rdy, so they seem to be dying even more often without me noticing.

Why is that? Are our shamans just not that good? In my oppinion they arent bad players. Or is it their lack of class survability by hp or cds? Should they grap some good socketboni by violet/green gems? Should they help out with healing more often when they are low on hp?

Thanks for your help!
Daniel

osicat · 03/03/10, 8:34 AM

Originally Posted by osicat

•Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)

Source: World of Warcraft PTR Patch 3.3.3, World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> PTR Patch 3.3.3 Notes

Mercci · 03/03/10, 8:41 AM

•Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)

tuberqlosis · 03/03/10, 9:24 AM

delete me

Pasch · 03/03/10, 9:33 AM

Edit: already posted

TheXo · 03/03/10, 9:49 AM

Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)

Source

Mmootimus · 03/03/10, 9:58 AM

Updated text on the set bonus:

Item - Shaman T10 Elemental 4P Bonus - Your Lava Burst spell causes your Flame Shock effect on the target to deal at least two additional periodic damage ticks before expiring. (Old - Your Lava Burst spell increases the duration of your Flame Shock effect on the target by 6 sec.)

Makes it look more like a nerf to me. Although the wording is ambiguous enough that it could be doing almost anything.

PTR testing required I think.