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Old 03/02/10, 11:17 PM   #14376
Hidden
Don Flamenco
 
Troll Rogue
 
Blackrock (EU)
Originally Posted by Saruk View Post
What stat is causing fire to outpace arcane in BiS gear?
Crit is definitely the stat that Fire scales much better with. Rawr even suggests me to gem 12 SP/10 Crit not only for yellow but also for red gem slots in full BiS Fire gear.

Some numbers according to Rawr using a 4k SP Demo Lock, Gnome as race and Engineering/Enchanting as professions:
Arcane BiS: 14989
Fire BiS (No Phylactery): 15459
Fire BiS (Phylactery): 15687

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Old 03/02/10, 11:32 PM   #14377
Randomraid
 
Blood Elf Priest
 
Korgath
3.3.3 bonus

Originally Posted by Imua View Post
Hrmmm... PTR notes say that in 3.3.3 the 4pc T-10 set bonus becomes:
This bonus now increases the effectiveness of the caster's Power Word: Shield and Renew spells by 5%.

Better than nothing, and something to appeal to both disc and holy now.

^ this, can someone put some numbers on this. whether its worth picking up 4peice for disc/holy or just go with off peices to increase sp/stats

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Old 03/02/10, 11:47 PM   #14378
Oograr
 
Orc Shaman
 
Zul'Jin
i just won the 264 version of Unclean Surgeon's Gloves tonight. I know it sounds redundant but i also have logs that could be used for the 2pc and 4pc HEP values. I'm uncertain if the 4 piece bonus is worth not using those gloves and the crafted mail legs.

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Old 03/02/10, 11:50 PM   #14379
Elamahpla
Von Kaiser
 
Goblin Death Knight
 
Mug'thol
Just to let you know, [Scourgebane] been hotfixed and no longer works on 264 iLvl weapons.

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Old 03/03/10, 12:17 AM   #14380
Dymlos
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Arygos
As of 3/2/2010:
Serrated Blades: This talent now allows the rogue to ignore up to 3/6/9% of the target's armor, rather than a fixed amount of armor ignored per level of the rogue.

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Old 03/03/10, 12:53 AM   #14381
Lucai
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Cho'gall
Originally Posted by Bossakula View Post
One contributor to the "better scaling" with fire is the trinket slots. Specifically, the [Phylactery of the Nameless Lich] from Sindragosa. Since this trinket provides no benefit to Arcane, the "BIS" arcane gear set uses an i258 level trinket.

Also, for most classes (including fire spec), Sindragosa's trinket is currently modeled as stronger than the Dislodged Foreign object (at equivalent gear levels, i.e., i264 compared to i264 and i277 compared against i277).

The benefit of running an i277 Phylactery and i277 DFO (compared to the same DFO and a Reign of the Dead) accounts for a fairly significant portion of the difference (perhaps as much as half).
The Ruby Sanctum should drop trinkets (data mined procs) which may bring arcane back to the top in 3.3.5.

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Old 03/03/10, 1:05 AM   #14382
Airraid
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Barthilas
And that's also ignoring the fact that you'll more than likely have 0 hit rating (or 1% as a Draenei) which makes keeping FS up rather impractical, to say the least.

Hakaboy18, you have allot of room to move in your gear so don't be too impatient when spending those frost badges. You don't have a haste weapon yet so that's a good place to start planning your next move, plus by the time most of those 251's become 264's you'll be allot closer to the cap then you are now.

Hunter now retired to pugs, solo farming and Yogg 0. Long live the shaman!

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Old 03/03/10, 1:22 AM   #14383
Deadlybeauty
 
Human Priest
 
Sentinels
Looking for a PVP spec for a level 80 Shadow Priest

Other than getting PVP gear (the obvious part), I am in need of a spec for PVP.

Can anyone help me?

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Old 03/03/10, 2:20 AM   #14384
Obsolet
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Druid
 
Saurfang
thought so.

Thanks.

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Old 03/03/10, 2:35 AM   #14385
happyskippper
Glass Joe
 
Orc Warrior
 
Blackrock
thank you. completely spaced how ap directly works with wep speed.

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Old 03/03/10, 3:45 AM   #14386
ildon
Collateral Damage
 
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Undead Priest
 
Whisperwind
Priest - Arena Junkies Forums is your best bet for PvP info.

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Old 03/03/10, 5:05 AM   #14387
nathanaos
Glass Joe
 
Cowzor
Tauren Warrior
 
No WoW Account (EU)
Originally Posted by samot View Post
The shown DPS is only for a theoretical, perfect single-target-battle and depends very much on the buffs.

Usually your real dps will be ~2000 dps lower, except you fight multi-target or are a really good player with an ideal raid setup.
You can select which buffs are active. Also the gap should be smaller that 2000 DPS because otherwise it will defeat the whole point of theorycrafting.

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Old 03/03/10, 5:10 AM   #14388
Pond
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Black Dragonflight
the [Earthsoul Boots] linked for the BIS list for heroic version is improperly linked to the non-heroic version

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Old 03/03/10, 5:35 AM   #14389
Namnalia
Von Kaiser
 
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Human Warlock
 
Blackmoore (EU)
In my opinion, any other list makes no real sense as it would only be very temporary equip for dedicated raiders. For example, no guild will kill Arthas and not do the Gunship Hardmode next ID. Everyone knows the general rules like socketing right or reaching the hit cap via equip, gems and talents. If you really want to make a BiS-gear without hardmodes, you are free to use the stat weights from this thread or simcraft and use one of the methods I explained in the T7/T8 lists (which are useless now, I just keep them to show how you could make up a list for yourself). In my opinion, just taking any clear upgrade while having a BiS-list in mind is the best choice. Only fools would leave out every drop but the BiS-item. I can only image very rare cases where this does not work out perfectly, like strict 10-man raiders or something. Of course I respect those players, but they are really a minority and will probably be used to work things out for their own. And if you really are never going to do any hardmodes, just take away the "heroic" from the gear and you have a good composition as well!

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Old 03/03/10, 5:36 AM   #14390
badboyhulk
Glass Joe
 
Troll Shaman
 
Kazzak (EU)
@ Oograr - it depends on what ilvl you are aiming for. At full 264lvl gear, the legs are the correct offpiece, while at 277lvl, it would be the hc version of those gloves. You can find the entire dicussion here, and some related ideas spill over to the next page or two. Obviously varies according to your personal HEP values.

[Resto] Best Practices: PvE Healing Discussion

@ Pond - those are crafted boots, there shouldn't be a Heroic alternative

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Old 03/03/10, 6:50 AM   #14391
Shadowfáde
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Neptulon (EU)
•Serrated Blades: This talent now allows the rogue to ignore up to 3/6/9% of the target's armor, rather than a fixed amount of armor ignored per level of the rogue.

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Old 03/03/10, 7:48 AM   #14392
Burx
Glass Joe
 
Orc Hunter
 
Bloodscalp (EU)
Beast Mastery
Ferocious Inspiration now also increases the damage of Steady Shot by 9%.

Somewhat decent boost to BM to b ring it in line with the other specs i guess. :O

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Old 03/03/10, 8:10 AM   #14393
wilegenuis
Von Kaiser
 
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Troll Hunter
 
Blade's Edge (EU)
Distance between the hunter to the volley target

Another graphical effect with using volley is the impact of the distance of the hunter from the volley target.
From the way it looks from the graphics, the farther you are from the volley target, the less time the volley will work
It seems that part of the 5.7 seconds the volley is working is the distance it takes the volley to reach the target.
Therefore if the hunter is far, the distance takes 1.5 seconds, and only 4.2 seconds will the volley works.
If the volley target is nearby, then volley work for a longer time on the target.
Is that only a graphical effect and the distance between the hunter and the target does not affect the volley impact, or is it best practice to perform the volley as close as possible to the target?

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Old 03/03/10, 8:20 AM   #14394
bigdan
Glass Joe
 
Human Death Knight
 
Gul'dan (EU)
Shaman surviability

Hello everybody! :o)

What are your thoughts about shaman surviability? Very often our shamans (ele/enh) are the first players dying. Not by failing, but by normal raiddmg. And its seems they have NEVER ankh rdy, so they seem to be dying even more often without me noticing.

Why is that? Are our shamans just not that good? In my oppinion they arent bad players. Or is it their lack of class survability by hp or cds? Should they grap some good socketboni by violet/green gems? Should they help out with healing more often when they are low on hp?

Thanks for your help!
Daniel

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Old 03/03/10, 8:34 AM   #14395
osicat
Glass Joe
 
Night Elf Rogue
 
Alonsus (EU)
Originally Posted by osicat View Post
•Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)
Source: World of Warcraft PTR Patch 3.3.3, World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> PTR Patch 3.3.3 Notes

Last edited by osicat : 03/03/10 at 8:40 AM.

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Old 03/03/10, 8:41 AM   #14396
Mercci
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Death Knight
 
Tarren Mill (EU)
•Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)

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Old 03/03/10, 9:24 AM   #14397
tuberqlosis
Glass Joe
 
Human Warlock
 
Black Dragonflight
delete me

Last edited by tuberqlosis : 03/03/10 at 10:01 AM.

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Old 03/03/10, 9:33 AM   #14398
Pasch
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Priest
 
Silvermoon (EU)
Edit: already posted

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Old 03/03/10, 9:49 AM   #14399
TheXo
Glass Joe
 
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Undead Rogue
 
Garrosh (EU)
Slaughter from the Shadows now reduces the energy cost of your Backstab and Ambush abilities by 4/8/12/16/20. (Up from 3/6/9/12/15)
Source

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Old 03/03/10, 9:58 AM   #14400
Mmootimus
Piston Honda
 
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Tauren Shaman
 
Quel'Thalas (EU)
Updated text on the set bonus:

Item - Shaman T10 Elemental 4P Bonus - Your Lava Burst spell causes your Flame Shock effect on the target to deal at least two additional periodic damage ticks before expiring. (Old - Your Lava Burst spell increases the duration of your Flame Shock effect on the target by 6 sec.)
Makes it look more like a nerf to me. Although the wording is ambiguous enough that it could be doing almost anything.

PTR testing required I think.

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