Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 586

reeper · 10/06/09, 2:24 PM

Can someone help me out with what rotation to use for a fury warrior?

Vaenor · 10/06/09, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jezele

Is the extra debuff that useful? I only ask because the person doing the TankSpot rotation guide actually specs 55/16, which puts no points in Feral Aggression, Infected Wounds or KoJ, instead putting them into Imp. Mangle and Master Shapeshifter. He implied at one point that most tanks take the Imp. Mangle talent, but since the majority I've seen haven't taken the Master Shapeshifter, I'm a little skeptical.

I don't have exact numbers, but it's been my experience that demo roar reduces the incoming damage significantly ovr the course of a fight. I personally find it important to take feral aggression for ToGC (I only have 3/5 because our 10 man is short on kickers making me need brutal impact). However, keep in mind it does not stack with demo shout; if you always tank with a warrior communicate about who is going to talent it.

I also don't see many tanks that take master shapeshifter. I personally do not think five talent points are worth 4% damage. However, I also don't have any threat issues. If you are hurting for threat this would be a way to help.

The argument for imp. mangle is that you should produce slightly more threat. Arguments against are easier rotation and freeing up three talent points to use elsewhere. Again, if you struggle with threat, taking imp. mangle should help a little.

kalbear · 10/06/09, 2:32 PM

Is the extra debuff that useful? I only ask because the person doing the TankSpot rotation guide actually specs 55/16, which puts no points in Feral Aggression, Infected Wounds or KoJ, instead putting them into Imp. Mangle and Master Shapeshifter. He implied at one point that most tanks take the Imp. Mangle talent, but since the majority I've seen haven't taken the Master Shapeshifter, I'm a little skeptical.

If you don't have someone putting up the improved version of demo, it's absolutely worth it. Each point essentially reduces your incoming damage by 1%; there are very few talents that can boast that level of mitigation.

The reason Darksend (of Tankspot) doesn't do it is because he only does 25-mans or 10-mans with someone who can put that up. If you're in that situation definitely drop it for MSS (much better use of 5 talent points than mangle/SA or mangle/kotj) but if you aren't, you should grab it.

Piggish · 10/06/09, 3:38 PM

Gah.. Im in a weird spot.. and not able to tell the best direction using the spread sheet at this point, and no Fury warr's on server to really run this by.. I have read this forum for quite some time, but this is my first time posting / asking a question.

I am currently well stacked with gear -

But im curious if I should roll with

Greatness Card + Deaths Verdict with a Titan's Belt
Im rolling about 594 / 42.44% ArP - no ArP proc

OR

Deaths Verdict with Victory's Call (h)witht he 10man heroic belt (sorry im fail and its not equipped on the armory atm) but this gets me a bit more expertise this way and less strength - even thought there is a use on Victory's Call...

OR

Deaths Verdict with Grim Toll and back to the titan's belt for the expertise
this is overall less Strength by a long shot, but do I / We need to recapture that ArP or not?

Dont get me wrong.. I can faceroll strong dps (7k to 10k depending on boss encounter)...

BUT with the ArP nerf is it better to sub back in a Grim Toll? Im can obviously just try this out.. but Im sure one of you wonderfull tweakers has already done this

And can save me from a raid worth of meh / light dps...

thanks

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p.s. I should have tossed this into the Fury discussion thread.. and will do so now.. please feel free to delete - sorry

j0ntar · 10/06/09, 3:39 PM

I hate to bring this back up but I can seem to find a static value in any of the posts of where Mongoose is better to enchant over Beserking, the only refrences found are "At BiS", "11k" or "losta T9". I am mainly looking for an AP value of where it is better other than guesstimate of 11k. I know I fall short with 3.8k AP unbuffed but I am curious.

Piggish · 10/06/09, 3:42 PM

Gah.. Im in a weird spot.. and not able to tell the best direction using the spread sheet at this point, and no Fury warr's on server to really run this by.. I have read this forum for quite some time, but this is my first time posting / asking a question.

I am currently well stacked with gear -

But im curious if I should roll with

Greatness Card + Deaths Verdict with a Titan's Belt
Im rolling about 594 / 42.44% ArP - no ArP proc

OR

Deaths Verdict with Victory's Call (h)witht he 10man heroic belt (sorry im fail and its not equipped on the armory atm) but this gets me a bit more expertise this way and less strength - even thought there is a use on Victory's Call...

OR

Deaths Verdict with Grim Toll and back to the titan's belt for the expertise
this is overall less Strength by a long shot, but do I / We need to recapture that ArP or not?

Dont get me wrong.. I can faceroll strong dps (7k to 10k depending on boss encounter)...

BUT with the ArP nerf is it better to sub back in a Grim Toll? Im can obviously just try this out.. but Im sure one of you wonderfull tweakers has already done this

And can save me from a raid worth of meh / light dps...

thanks

Erknost · 10/06/09, 3:46 PM

I'm a noob, I'm starting, and I wanna be a rogue. That's why I come ask to the best. So if that lead to a serious answer, please feel free to mock of me.

Who good is a Rogue to leveling through BGs?

Whats the best spec for a new and low level PvP Rogue?

Whats the best race for a Rogue? I already make a gnome, mainly because they are tiny, and because with my main I sometimes find hardest to see stealth Rogue gnomes during a BG.

There is already a lore about what will be the racial of a worgen Rogue?

Royalite · 10/06/09, 3:46 PM

Originally Posted by bodvarbjarki

You could replace your current hit trinket with an old badge trinket like the Sundial, drop one point in BoP, and you'd have higher dps and still be way over the hit cap. Currently you are an "idiot moonkin stacking hit" whether you are aware of it or not.

I can do that and test it out. I see that as a step in the right direction but still having the same result as people calling me an idiot hit staking moonkin =p
I haven't been really motivated to find alternatives (aka using sundial) b/c in pugs and guild runs I can make the top on dmg if I am on par with my rotation.

When I joined the new guild they were very concerned about my gear, but 8k on yogg changed their minds (yea it was with keepers so if itemized correctly I probably should of been higher). I am not sayin' my moonkin is right or the way to go. I know I need to fix her. I just want Reign of the Dead and Illumination and not have to worry about excess hit.

Naihan · 10/06/09, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by RedCrossRobbery

Can someone explain to me what this "rupture-less" rotation is? I've seen it in alot of threads, but never know what it is exactly. Anyone able to toss some specifics at me?

Maybe a rotation without rupture . . . . . . . ?

But don't take my word for it, I've only been speaking English since last Thursday.

jamz2k · 10/06/09, 4:48 PM

Has anybody seen an increase in cat dps? I thought a previous patch increased their damage. Just wanted to know if it has been noticed.

felixxx420 · 10/06/09, 4:49 PM

Was wondering what my caps should be if iam ass and combat dule spec?

Opsul · 10/06/09, 6:36 PM

Originally Posted by Piggish

But im curious if I should roll with

Greatness Card + Deaths Verdict with a Titan's Belt
Im rolling about 594 / 42.44% ArP - no ArP proc

OR

Deaths Verdict with Victory's Call (h)witht he 10man heroic belt (sorry im fail and its not equipped on the armory atm) but this gets me a bit more expertise this way and less strength - even thought there is a use on Victory's Call...

OR

Deaths Verdict with Grim Toll and back to the titan's belt for the expertise
this is overall less Strength by a long shot, but do I / We need to recapture that ArP or not?

hi

greatness+death should give you the most dps output

and for your feets you should use "treads of dismal fortune" until you can get the "7. legion" an with the 12/12 enchant (your crit is a little bit low) or you use gems

it does not hurt as much as you think to gem the last points to cap your exp.

Anakim · 10/06/09, 7:38 PM

I am very unclear about the value of armor pen with the 3.2.2 nerf. Can someone please clarify what is best to gem for as a kitty? Rawr says agility, but i've seen tables where armor pen is valued higher than agility. Without gemming for armor pen, I'm at ignoring 30% of enemy armor (about 460), and If i gem red sockets for it, i can get up to around 700 rating. What would be the best thing to do? Oh, I dont have a mjollnir runestone but am working hard at getting one.

Baklava09 · 10/06/09, 11:52 PM

I got exactly the same thing.

tyeni · 10/07/09, 12:22 AM

my current shammy UI.

Still needs work but any encouraging thoughts are always welcome.