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Old 10/14/09, 1:03 PM   #8971
Vonlego
Glass Joe
 
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Aegwynn
I'm not sure I'd give up the stats on Twin Spike -- A very good dagger -- for that proc. The dagger is more to show respect to the old 60 dagger, and not actually created to be overly effective.

There has been discussion on using that dagger with a weapon swap macro to keep the proc up. I am unsure if this works as originally envisioned.

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Old 10/14/09, 1:06 PM   #8972
MxBIZZLE
 
Gnome Rogue
 
Blood Furnace
yeah i was thinking about that because it doesnt seem like i do as much damage as i even did using icefall blade/golem shard stickler

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Old 10/14/09, 1:40 PM   #8973
Evilbunny
Von Kaiser
 
Human Death Knight
 
Zuluhed
Originally Posted by Silmu View Post
Great guide my DPS popped up with 500 :O
And it should continue to rise with practice. I've been reading this thread for a while and playing as a blood DK for longer. As you become more familiar with the rotation and when you can sneak in DCs and when to use DRW, you're DPS should keep climbing. A DK in my guild recently copied my spec and I gave him some pointers on it. His gear is a decent bit better than mine (~70pts on wow-heroes last I checked) and yet I still do 500-1000 DPS more. As he gets more practice with the spec he should probably catch up and eventually pass me.

The moral of the story: Doing things properly is good, doing those things well is even better.

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Old 10/14/09, 2:59 PM   #8974
Honks
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Orc Hunter
 
Lightbringer (EU)
So can anyone please tell me if the SS glyph is still bugged please?

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Old 10/14/09, 4:44 PM   #8975
warscar
 
Orc Warrior
 
Hellscream
Man alot of info here,....
My question is I have 4 piece T9 and am wondering if I should go incite spec and regem to armor pen I am all STR gemmed atm.
I have a few pieces I can swap out to give more arm pen I.E. Bracers/belt boots.

I have always been told STR was the way to go but now not sure since I see alot of guys here with ARP.

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Old 10/14/09, 5:09 PM   #8976
Aristarchus316
 
Hagiastheite
Draenei Paladin
 
Thaurissan
Dual speccing

Hi

Really basic question from a newbie Pally. Using dual speccing, it there any point in having a prot/ holy split, or am I better to have a prot/ ret split (given this is the tanking forum, Im not asking about a ret/ holy split!)

I do pvp, but not a huge amount, and I dont arena.

As an aside, I've committed the great sin of levelling to 79 as a ret/ holy split: despite being in the LFG innumerable times, I have run a grand total of 4 instances at level: so I will be that terror to all players: the clueless tank. I do wish Blizz could find some way to encourage more instance participation. And yes, Im even in a guild: hence 3 of the runs.

Anyway, /rant off

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Old 10/14/09, 5:19 PM   #8977
stinge68
Banned
 
Undead Warlock
 
Alleria
Whats best rogue spec

What is best rogue build for raid dps and what is best build for leveling. I am making my first rogue and know nothing about the class yet hardly, just the very basics. Any input and where to put talents will be greatly appreciated or a good link to a proper build/point spread be great also. Thanks (havent played for months just starting back fyi) Only classes I know are warlocks and warriors. Those are my only characters I ever used when I used to play.

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Old 10/14/09, 5:41 PM   #8978
ChiZiL
 
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Night Elf Rogue
 
Kalecgos
Hey Peeps - I just ran RAWR and it pulled my profile from the Armory just fine. My question is concerning how accurate this app is compared to the DPS spreadsheets? My RAWR build suggests that I would gain more (and substantial) DPS from using the combination of Grim Toll and BOV or Wrathstone, instead of the Greatness trinket. So my question is, how accurate is RAWR?

ChiZ

Last edited by ChiZiL : 10/14/09 at 5:55 PM.

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Old 10/14/09, 5:50 PM   #8979
Venuu
 
Dwarf Death Knight
 
Stormreaver (EU)
Is it worth speccing MM if you DO reach the ARP cap, but do not have a grim toll or a mjolnir runestone?

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Old 10/14/09, 6:12 PM   #8980
Hinalover
Don Flamenco
 
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Pandaren Monk
 
Kil'Jaeden
Originally Posted by ChiZiL View Post
Hey Peeps - I just ran RAWR and it pulled my profile from the Armory just fine. My question is concerning how accurate this app is compared to the DPS spreadsheets? My RAWR build suggests that I would gain more (and substantial) DPS from using the combination of Grim Toll and BOV or Wrathstone, instead of the Greatness trinket. So my question is, how accurate is RAWR?

ChiZ
some models are more accurate than others (ie: mage, kitty/bear druid, dps/prot warriors are more updated than most) Others, such as the rogue model doesn't get updated that much since I BELIEVE there isn't a current rouge developer. Ast is always looking for more developers especially for hunters, locks and rogues. If you want to help out and know any C#.Net programming, give him a call.

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Old 10/14/09, 6:24 PM   #8981
austinpumpkinhead
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Zangarmarsh
Spec Question

So the combustion change was enough to drive raiding fire mages from 19/52 to 18/53 to pick it up?

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Old 10/14/09, 6:38 PM   #8982
widds2v
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Gnomeregan
The question is raised "why bring a resto druid" to a raid now. We are in almost every case considered a raid healer. Yes the rejuv glyph gives you more HPS on your rejuv, but you cannot heal as many people which is counterproductive to our job. Our job isn't to put 4k HPS out on each person, our job is to put a nice buffer on as many people as possible to ease the amount of single target direct healing the other healers in the raid need to provide. Was GOTEM too powerful? Maybe, especially for a 5 point talent, but maybe some other talent should of been buffed and GOTEM nerfed to net basically the same effect but not making one talent seem like it is overpowered and required over any other. Back to the original question though, all we really bring to the table is our healing. Motw can be provided by any druid, as can battle rezz's. The only thing resto brings is healing and revitalize which I have never seen be a battle winner. With every other healing class in the game bringing some sort of mitigation to the raid in addition to their heals they need to expect resto druids to beat them in amounts healed... and obviously Blizzard does not agree.

Secondly I understand this is EJ and every person on here did 25m TOGC the second it came out and dropped anub with 50 attempts left on the first try, but this REALLY hurts the rest of the resto druid population that is not part of their servers elite raiding guild. You talk about just having to shuffle gear and can still reach the 800+ haste rating required to be just as effective as we are now... well that number is impossible to achieve in raiding guilds doing 10m normal/25m normal ToC and just venturing into stuff like 10m H ToC. Even more impossible for those that are still doing ulduar and similar raids. I understand that most of this nerf is probably coming from druids pulling insane EHPS numbers out of 25m twins fights, but that isn't the only fight in the game, there is still a healthy population raiding other instances. We haven't seen the loot to come out of 3.3 yet though so maybe this is a bit premature, maybe every leather piece will be perfectly itemized with pure SP/haste and not a plethora of crit like we've been dealt in the past.

The thing that really upsets me about these changes proposed for 3.3 is there was no warning and they are extreme to a point where it basically completely changes how we heal. I can understand if over the course of 3-4 patches they slowly laid out the direction they want resto to go in, and made changes here and there to eventually get us to shy away from casting rejuv on nearly every GCD... but to do it in one huge swoop just means Blizzard doesn't know HOW to fix the problem they just want to throw something on the issue to hold it over until they can figure something out. Rant over..

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Old 10/14/09, 6:54 PM   #8983
widds2v
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Druid
 
Gnomeregan
Pretty sure everyone saying the GOTEM nerf means nothing should go unspec out of it and try healing, it sucks... bad.

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Old 10/14/09, 7:08 PM   #8984
lawlwarrior
 
Night Elf Warrior
 
Frostmane
I've been using maxdps to figure out best gear ranking, but I don't know if itss accurate because it tells me to gem 20 strength gems over 20 arp. Was wondering what u guys use for gear ranking.

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Old 10/14/09, 7:12 PM   #8985
Fallenangel
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Tauren Druid
 
Chromaggus (EU)
Yes, this is probably the end of resto druids in raids. Oh well, we had a good run, 2.4 up until now.

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