Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 6

mafields · 07/11/08, 11:16 PM

1) u were right

now it is 200% in calculations

2) no them r not specials, just regular swings so they use ur hit%

3) if shaman got same amount AP = DPS it is same to rockbiter and WF it dosent mater... but i make examples to u.

WF shaman got 1700AP + that weapon
1700/14+100,2=221,6 *2,8= 620,48 <--- basic weapon damage
1700/14+100,2+33,9=255,5 *2,8= 715,4 <--- basic WF extra strike
norm, norm & norm | 620,48 | 715,4 | 715,4 | 2051,28 | /2,8= 732,6
3*normal + 4 normal hits = avarage <--- makes that 20% proc and after it takes that 13.4% miss rate off from procs
(732,6+221,6*4)/5=323,8 (miss 732,6*0,134=98,2) 323,8-98,2=225,6

rockbiter normal
1700/14+100,2+74=295,6

see... both of them get same buff from same AP

and one thing if there is 3sec cd in WF u should look after resonance multipiers like 6,3,1.5 or 1.... to get it strike right after another proc.

whit ur 2.6speed weapon + flurry 30% = 1,82speed <-- second strike will be 3,64 so it is late 0,64
2,8speed + flurry 30% = 1,96speed <-- second strike will be 3,92 so it is 0,92 late

2,1speed weapon is too early 1.47.... so perfect speed is about 2.2 (+flurry 30% 1,54 so second strike will be nearly ideal 3.08)

Every 15.7 Points of Haste rating you will have 1% more Attack Speed at level 70 <--- so u can tweek it to slower weapons too

i calculated some test and to get 2,6--> 1,5 whit flurry u need additional 12,5% (196,25 haste rate)
it is not impossible but needs gear alot

graysaber · 07/12/08, 3:05 AM

Well I'm at the point where i need to figure out what I should wear more of, I have 44 hit rating and 33.69% crit rating and I'm currently only raiding Karazhan. Also I have to tank certain parts in karazhan as well, any tips?

Muzzaa · 07/12/08, 3:08 AM

Hi Manly, I was wondering your and other mages opinions on 0/40/21 spec Vs. the normal 2/48/11 for SW max dps, more specifically maxing out damage on Brut.

I play a Mage in a well progressed guild, we are currently close to downing KJ in Sunwell. I am currently using 0/40/21 as my main spec.

0/40/21, you lose 1% crit, plus 1 master of elements talent. However, you gain an extra icy veins + double ice block

Would this be possible to out perform 2/48/11 on Brut?

From my experience it does. Though with this spec it's possible for mana to be an issue on Brut, you just don't want to be using meta gems + mana pots over flameaps + destros'

9/10 times we also use a very well geared elemental shaman, which has no mana tide.

Nurru · 07/12/08, 3:10 AM

This thread has long since gone from "Sweet Informational Thread" to the "Watch peoples ask the same thing over and over every few pages Thread"

Grotholl · 07/12/08, 3:04 PM

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I looked on MMO-Champion and could'nt find anything in feral druid talents/abilites related to this 'Dire Cat' form, could anyone into the specifics?

Folcred · 07/12/08, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by Palados

You can't get better items pre-Kara, Folcred. Gloves and chest are second best plate one in game. So it is worth going BS assuming you have enough money to buy plans and motes. After you crafted everything you could, you can drop BS for LW or whatever.

You cant use the crafted items after droping BS and spending that huge amout of gold when you will end upp not suing the items anyway don't soon uphealing to me.

Edit, s4 gloves are realy impressive (sorry for no link) and easy to get even at kara lvl since they don't need rating.

annerajb · 07/13/08, 1:25 AM

being a casual player i would like to skip kara as much as i can and not farm it for months thats the reason why i wanna get a hold of all the sunwell crafted plus blacksmithing is hopefully getting some love on wotlk and leatherworking drums getting nerfed.

i just realized that the alchemist stone has the 40% to mana potions wich is a good amount of mana and from what i read palys love to drink mana so it could be beneficial for not running oom.

this is how i look at this i can get combined more +healing from having this proffesions than from having alchemy and just getting 100+ from only one item.

also my school schedules unfortunately dosnt let me be a SW raider or BT raider so thats why i prefer engineering i can get googles that are second best (according to lolmaxdps) i know its not a 100% accurate but i quess it has to be a bit close. and with blacksmithing i can fiil other slots and hopefully finish ssc and tk and one day do a full za. and make it easy on me to get geared. while at the same time enjoying a good amount of content on the game as it will die once wotlk is out.

sorry for using the quotes tag but idk how to write gramatically correct english and firefox spelling addon apparently sucks.

read quotes message.

Kel S'jet · 07/13/08, 11:57 AM

TBQH, I am shocked at the turn this thread has taken. It has turned into a cesspool of a pathetic display of ball size by the vast majority of you.

You are all placing way WAY to much importance in your 'theorycraft'. You are so obsessed with pushing your own agendas that you have forgotten where you are. And then, to top it all off, some dude pulls a completely random statement out of his arse with no proof whatsoever (the statement being, "Oh blizzard doesn't do any thoerycraft they just throw sh!t together and see what happens") and since that statement works towards your own personal goals you all eat it up and begin stroking each others cocks.
The "oh players know more about the game then the designers" is just a big phat icing on this already sour cake.

How do you feel you can all make such immensely bold statements about how much you know vs. how much the blizzard devs know about the game without providing or even attempting to provide any proof?

And 'time'? You honestly believe blizzard does not have the 'time' for theorycrafting? They hire people whose job it is to do nothing but TC all day long, and those dudes get paid for it (and there is proof for that statement, the proof being that Kalgan has already stated that they hired a guy with a PhD in competitive systems to do nothing but 'balance' the arena systems point scoring scheme, you honestly think they would hire a guy to do nothing but look and analyze and 'theorycraft' something as small as the arena point system, but have no one looking at the class numbers? Ignorance).
But no, I can already see the rage in your eyes building up as you are reading my words now, naturally, as you epeen size is beginning to shrink. So listen up.

Every system is flawed. This is a mathematically proven fact, not a statement (go google Godel if you want proof). Given this fact, yes, there will be elements of the wow class system that will be overlooked since it is such a fringe possibility. All outcomes will never be fully determined (and therefore, handled) at the creation of a system. Now go ahead and add the complexity to this by the fact that the system itself mutates at every iteration and you will then begin to see what you are dealing with.

However the biggest oversight almost all you have missed is that you are all content with raids. raids raids raids raids raids. You eat, sleep and fart raids. But the point is, blizzard does not (*shocker*). To them, the 'theorycrafting' of the mage has to occur on mutiple levels, pve, pvp, arena, solo, grps, heroics, farming, as well as multiple dimensions, i.e. the weighing up of all these levels against all other classes and specs.

No, the 'theorycrafting' you do is simple, it is easy and I hope to high heavens that it is not the TC that blizzard does since yours is so unthinkably limited.

And as far as the players knowing more about the game than the devs goes, it is probably one of the most retarded things I have heard here on EJ. Something much much more akin to the kak that occurs on the official forums.

The only situation that a player can even hope to achieve insight into the game on a level comparable to the devs is when they have mastered every single class in every single scenario/situation that the game has to offer. Only then can they say that their "experience" has granted them to start designing stuff. All their experience is good for before that point, is feedback to the people who are designing the game. Linus' law my ass, Torvalds was as high on himself as you guys are when he made his statement a "law".

In short, wake the fuck up plz, kkthxbai

Rusan · 07/13/08, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by Elois

At lvl 70
22 crit rating = 1% crit
40 agility = 1% crit

Wow. ty, i didnt realize it was that big of a difference.

Nystin · 07/13/08, 4:52 PM

Originally Posted by kidvid

Any thoughts on the best way to use Rawr to help me choose the most optimal gems and enchants for a 4 dps 5v5 team?

So far, I've tried setting the mana potions to zero, entering in my expected buffs, and then adjusting the fight length to various amounts before seeing what the optimizer chooses. It's interesting to note that if I set the fight length to 1 minute, I get wildly different results than if I choose 2 minutes, and that will have different enchants and gems than if I set the fight to 2.5 minutes.

One thing that definitely made me take notice was the fact that the 10 int gem is valued really high by the Rawr optimizer. Conversely, the optimizer seems to value the 10 spell haste gem to be nearly worthless. Perhaps if my +healing in pvp gear was over 2k, it would start to use haste items...

For my character right now, I've put in a lot of mp5, but I'm not sure if that's the best decision.

Also, any suggestions on the best trinket to use, other than the Epic medallion of the alliance? I'm torn between using the vial of the sunwell, the grand alchemist stone, the scarab of infinite cycles, and the +40 spell haste battlemaster's trinket.

Last season I transfered servers 2 weeks b4 the end of the season and started a 4 dps team and we almost got glad. I socket 11 healing 2 mp5, 11 healing 5 int and since i raid some 2 i socket my chest for 3 22 healing gems. You probably shouldn't stack spell haste until u have 2.1 or 2.2k+ healing. The vial of the sunwell is an amazing gem especially for a 4 dps bc its a quick save if say u get cc'd as soon as u come out u can just pop that and that will give u a few seconds to recover. So ya if i were u I'd just get healing,mp5, and int. You can use pve gear because in a 4 dps if they focus u ur team will win. Hope this helps

Broxxigar · 07/14/08, 8:05 AM

Hey guys , was wondering if anyone happens to know which t6 patrs should i keep(arms) , since my guild has progressed into sunwell, and if not what to take instaed of t6 or any else item.
Should i go for the 4 set bonus ?

igrik · 07/14/08, 10:30 AM

Hello around.
Going to dps Brut fight.
Having not worst retribution gear, but still in Teron fight could give out only 1300 dps.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Party was with enh shaman and drums of battle. fully buffed.
i am terribly bored with it.....

Sometimes i was missing CS on gcd..

Can u suggest anything considering gear and maybe some tips&tricks fighting static boss?

Yaiiu · 07/14/08, 12:14 PM

Hi i'm new on my shaman and have a few questions, would appreciate it much if they could be answered

.

What totems should i use against which classes in arena?

Zupal · 07/14/08, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by igrik

Hello around.
Going to dps Brut fight.
Having not worst retribution gear, but still in Teron fight could give out only 1300 dps.

The World of Warcraft Armory

Party was with enh shaman and drums of battle. fully buffed.
i am terribly bored with it.....

Sometimes i was missing CS on gcd..

Can u suggest anything considering gear and maybe some tips&tricks fighting static boss?

Logging out in arena holy spec/gear isn't helpful.

Also, can people please read this thread a little before posting?

If see another "hai guyz...my gear sux kinda lol. I am on [whatever boss]. i i thinnk my dps ok but still bad. halp?" post, I might gouge out my eyes.

Read the thread, look at the spreadsheet, model in Rawr and stop being lazy bastards.

Sawclaw · 07/14/08, 6:12 PM

Hello there!
My name is Sawclaw and i play a priest on Outland EU.
I was wondering if wheter Memento of Tyrande is worth picking up? now im using Redeemers Alchemist stone and the Earring,
Im mainly thinking of picking Memento up and changing it for Redeemers but i dont know if its worth it, i dont think its worth changing the Earring. any thoughts?

here's my armory:
The World of Warcraft Armory