Thanks for the good information, understanding it alot better now!

Hey guys im very new here and would like to ask for your advice...im doin experimental blood dw build
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Hey guys this is the first time i am posting in EJ, although i am reading all the WL - Forums for years
So i'm sorry if this is the worn position for this question so please move it to the right place

The Question is about Dots does the damage of Dots only goes for the spellpower you got when you cast them or will the dot tick higher if a spellpower trinket procs after the second tick and same goes for haste, if corruption is up (with Quick Decay Glyph) and after some ticks my trinket procs that gives tons of haste will this effect the next ticks of corruption or should i try to stack as much haste as possible before casting corruption to get insane fast ticks ?

i hope everyone understands what i mean and sorry again for noobshit question and thanks for answers

Hello everyone,

i am a bit new to this Forum, scrolled around for some time and it helped me much, but there are details that i would like to hear from others too.

I run a Mutilate Raiding spec just like on the Pocket guide forum. My problem is that for some time i feel like i don`t do as much DPS as i should with my gear and my spec. I follow every Pocket Guide for Mutilate, but there are things that i am in doubt with.

1st of all my gear: The World of Warcraft Armory (Rikk - Kazzak)

I have 4/5 t8.5 set with 196dps daggers from ToC and ToGC, other items are Ulduar lvl (226-232) or crafted except ring and neck is 245. Trinkets are a shame... Mirror of trooth(x2, one brewfest edition) and Pyrate infuser...

I am much overcapped with HIT (477) but expertise is on 23 (with 5 gems +8exp+8hit).
I realy dont know if i should wait to switch the gems with +20 agility now or wait till i get 5x 245 items... any clues?

My rotation:

If there is a warrior or druid that can put a bleed effect on the Boss i go: Mut, SnD, HfB, Mut (3+), Cold Blood, Envenom (to refresh SnD to max) than 1x-2x Mut (4+) to put Rupture up then i just follow the Pocket Guide tutorial, hold SnD and rupture up and 4+ envenom when i have a chance.

If there is no one that can put a bleed i just start with a Garrot, and the rest is like above.

Some experiences:

Yestorday we were in ToGC. I was testing my starting DPS on Lord Jaraxxus and overall.
From the start till the 1st portal i was doing arround 5.8k dps in average, which i know it is a shame... Some whipes later i saw once or twice that my DPS rised to 6.8k till the 1st portal, where all 3 partner rogues were at every start, some of them were doing even 7.2 (but they have many 245 lvl items).

Ok, maybe some trinkets proced and so on that my dps rised that much, but i still think that with my PvE gear i can do
better.

Some times i even get a report "invalid target" in the middle of the fight and i cant envenom the target... (100% i had insta on MH and deadly on OH)...

In the 3.1 patch (secrets of ulduar) i was following my partner rogue preety close, even over them at some fights (allways mutilate). Now i am at least 1k - 1.5k dps lower...

If i ask some question in short:

- Will it be good to try Combat with my gear?
- Ok if i go Combat with the trinkets that i have is it a good or bad idea? i know that a good thing would be an ArP trinket.
- Should i stay Muti and wait till i get 4/5 T9.25 and see what happends then make a mass change to my gear?
- Change all gems to +20 agility even if i`ll have only 15 exp rating?
- does 15fps affect rotation fight that much that i cant do more DPS?


If you have any tips for me ill be glad to read them. What i want is to be equal or even better then my partners at raiding.

Thank you!

Thankz will give it a try...

spellpower for dots is 'locked' into place when you finish the cast. Any buffs you gain or loose after that do not affect the strength of the dot.

debuffs on the mob on the other hand, are dynamic and will affect dot ticks. (a mob gaining CoE will make existing dots / remaining dot ticks hit harder)

The locking effect you can test for yourself also if you are so inclined. Just use a clickable spellpower trinket of some type. Throw a dot on one creature, wait for the first tick, click trinket, throw the same dot on another. Exluding the crits, you will see the difference.


ThatOneGuy

Just wanted to get some thoughts on my build as I noticed it was said in the beginning that the 44/27 build is experimental and its not been seen on top of the DPS charts but from what I've seen with my setup, it has been. Gear wise, most of my gear sucks (compared to the new tier gear of course, only just recently got my first piece of T8) - WoW Heroes - World of Warcraft PvE character info & ratings. I've never been much for "cookie cutter" builds as I usually don't have luck with them so have been doing my own builds lately. I'm doing a 44/0/27 (The World of Warcraft Armory - 2nd talent tree) build mainly for UB and perma-ghoul. After testing DRW I noticed perma-ghoul does nearly the same DPS as my DRW. Since the ghoul is out permanently, he'll do more total damage than DRW.

For glyphs I use: Glyph of Death Strike, Glyph of the Ghoul, and Glyph of Dark Death. The last I chose over the UB glyph because I found that it actually will do more damage than the extra 40% UB glyph. Say for instance DC deals out 1k damage, UB should do 200 dmg. With the UB glyph it should have done 280 dmg whereas the DD glyph would have caused DC to do 1150 damage then causing UB to do 230 damage giving you 100 more damage per hit overall.

As far as DPS charts go, so far most of the boss fights I've been in with other blood DK's in the group, I'm usually able to top the ones with gear scores around mine (one of them for instance had a GS right over 300 points higher than mine yet I was able to do at least 400 dps more than them, sometimes even higher. They had the normal blood spec with DRW and, like I mentioned above, their GS was right over 300 points higher than mine. I still have the Titansteel Destroyer and they either had the Edge of Ruin or Ironsoul, can't remember off hand.

Basically I guess what I'm just trying to find out is: is what I'm doing only going to work well with my crap gear or will it do just as well as the normal specs with better gear? Will DRW eventually out perform the perma-ghoul with better gear? That is one of my big questions.

As far as rotation goes, I keep it very short and simple as I never have had luck with what seems to be the normal rotations (stuffing some extra HS's and DS's in the end of the rotation). Start off with IT, PS, DS, should be able to hit DC by now, HS, HS then repeat. I'll hit DC almost every time it is up, unless it will drop my RP below 25 for the DS buff. If I'm at 45 RP when it starts over again at IT I'll hit DC then go through the rotation and have 25 RP by DS, then of course after that DS I'll hit DC again.

With that quick rotation, I always have diseases up, always have UB up, and besides the very first run through never have any moment that I'm not using an ability off the GCD. With the very first run through the rotation you'll only get one DC off which means by the time IT comes around you'll have to wait very shortly for the frost rune to come up then its just constant attacks after that.

If its a boss battle I'll usually immediately start off with a macro to use my engineering gloves (haste) and Hysteria at the same time (and currently included in the macro is my HH helmet to do the laugh for extra effect haha). After that I'll use my gloves every minute that its up and once Hysteria is up again I'll try to time it to use them both again.

As far as numbers go, DC is usually in the top 3 so far always above DS. For normal hits DC hits quite a bit harder than DS on the practice dummy with normal hits. DS will out damage DC on crits but they're still pretty close. With UB mixed in DC crits are about the same or slightly better than DS (this is all using the Sigil of the Vengeful Heart for extra DC damage). Overall damage wise, DC always outperforms DS due to getting to use it twice almost every rotation. HS and melee always kind of trade around spots but is always in the top 4 places, where it should be of course.

On boss fights, I've been able to spike as high as 5k dps and have been able to sustain around 4k before. More often than not I can sustain around 3500 dps in 10 man raids, and in 5 man (depending on buffs) I can keep it around 2600 to 2800 dps.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to post my experience with my particular build and maybe get some ideas. Thanks all!

Hello, I'm looking for help/suggestions on why I'm not doing the DPS I think I should be doing. With my gear as is I think should be doing respectable DPS but I'm finding I'm having a hard time hitting 3.5k in boss fights. Based on what I'm seeing from other people around the web I think I should be hitting 4k easy, maybe even 4.5k.

My Armory

My usual rotation is:

Charge -> Rend -> MS -> Slam and then mixing in OP when TfB procs or spamming Execute when Sudden Death procs. If neither are up then then I'll spam Slam until TfB or SD proc. I refresh Rend and MS as they fall off, if OP or Execute are not available. If there are other mobs around that need some AoE I'll pop Cleave or Sweeping Strikes.

My guild is 10-man with Ulduar (5 or 6 HM done) and ToC farming. I'm 5 triumph badges from the t9 chest piece so I should have that tomorrow night.

Is my rotation wonky? Are my gems/enchants wrong? I have a lot of +hit (left over from being fury) but it's all in my gear, except for the boot enchant. What am I doing wrong?

thanks!
Lyssa

Greetings,

Part I

I had recently moved and lost internet connection and was unable to play WoW for 3 months so my gear is a bit behind, but no worries, I'm confident I'll be caught up soon. Until the next raid I find myself farming reg ToC for the Abyssal Rune trinket to replace Eye of the Broodmother which apparently with the new content has a higher dps rating according to RAWR. (I find it an absolute shame that a 5m reg trinket is superior to a 10m Uld trinket, but I digress).

After studying the patch notes and reading up on the raid encounters I decided to change my 57/3/11 spec. I got rid of Arcane Barrage and Magic Attunement in preference of Incanter's Absorption. I have found that it performs spectacularly.

Here is what I've been doing and have successfully managed to reach and sometimes surpass my theoretical Rawr dps (when Incanter's is kick'n).

If you're in similar gear to me, maybe these tips can help you.

1. Before the pull, I stack Illustration & Eye of the Broodmother using Arcane Explosion while cycling my struddles to keep my mana topped off right before the pull.

1.5... Universal Technique: PoM AB and spam it.... use MBAR at 3 or 4 AB stacks if available.

2. I just started playing again so have only been fortunate enough to go 2pc T8 + 2pc T9. With my trinkets fully buffed I'll fish for Praxis before using my IWIN macro.

3. Instead of Arcane Barrage, I will fire a single Arcane Missile to dump the Arcane Blast debuff if necessary, I will clip the rest of the cast by quickly recasting AB.

4. By the time Bloodlust is popped, my CDs are usually available again. I hold for the IWIN macro until Praxis procs and this time use my IWIN+Potion of Speed macro.

Incanter's Absorption has been working wonderfully and I highly suggest others who haven't managed 4pc T9 to remember to conserve your IWIN macros for when your procs are available. I have found many mages who seem to randomly blow a huge amount of potential dps by misuse of their cooldowns & procs.

I know other better geared mages out there who might provide other advice, but for those who are currently in my situation these tips should help you reach your full potential.

Would appreciate any feedback for improving this technique or if this post helped anyone.

Part II

I have been looking at this "Fetish of Volatile Power" trinket. I find it amazing that despite being such a high item level that it seems to have a very low dps score. The only way I can think of maximizing its usage is to only pop it right before using a Missile Barrage. I'm a busy person with a job and was hoping someone could maybe possibly do the calculation on this?

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