Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 620

Tarithriel · 10/29/09, 5:29 AM

Hi there, I've been stalking these forums for quite some time hoping my question would be answered, and thus far nothing I could see pertained exactly to what it is I am looking for. Rather than link my armory page and say make me better, which seems to be everyones pet peeve, I've figured out almost exactly what it is i'm confused about.
First off my main is a survival hunter and recently I leveled an 80 combat rogue. Being quite uninformed as far as rogues go I turned to Elitist Jerks for all my simple questions and answers. However, unfortunately I seem to have passed beyond the land of simple questions and answers, and so I ask you knowledgeable people to hopefully solve my dilemma.
You'll have to pardon my formalities, still quite new.

So i'll get right down to it. Skimming through the rogue forums I've seen people suggesting to gem for armor pent, people suggesting to gem straight for agility, people saying gem for +10 agil + 10 armor pent; People saying that a combat rogue ( mind you im combat ) should be stacking armor pent in his \ her gear, that tier 9 is of less dps at lower gear levels than tier 8 ect... As you can imagine for someone who doesnt exactly have a reliable resident rogue in his guild this is quite confusing.

In short this is my armory page
The World of Warcraft Armory

Basically my questions are: Should i be gemming and or equipping armor pent gear, if so what rating should I shoot for. Would re-gemming for +10 agil +10 crit in all red \ yellow sockets show a sizable dps increase vs straight agil. I've also heard that combat rogues need at least 300 haste to support uptime of deadly poisons, any input? Would it be worth my while to replace my Tier 8.5 helm w\ 245 bloodfang mask even with the loss of t8 two set.

In all these discussions i've browsed through people are discussing BiS gear and such, i'm no where near that, though I would still greatly appreciate any information or feedback if provided.

Thorent · 10/29/09, 5:50 AM

Maybe this has already been treated before, but I didn't get a clear info, so I get to chose between [Grim Toll] and [Darkmoon Card: Greatness] as a second trinket (my first one being [Death's Verdict]) in a combat spec with eviscerate, my arpen unbuffed is 721 so I wanted to know if I should equip [Grim Toll] or [Darkmoon Card: Greatness]. Both seem very close to me.
Should I trust the charts on shadowpanther for trinkets or not?

ECZO · 10/29/09, 6:01 AM

Originally Posted by Xequecal

Honestly Blizzard had to do this, the price of dust has been steadily increasing over the past few months, there simply wasn't as much dust being created as consumed. Weapon enchants consume 40 dusts and enchants for other gear pieces often consume >20. Coliseum has no trash mobs for people to incidentally get greens from. The other major source of dusts, saronite ore, is now only mined secondary to titanium, no one goes out looking for saronite specifically, they just grab them while they wait for titanium to respawn.

The lack of supply is most likely an issue of your realm or it's just that Vek'nilash EU was filled with disenchanters (at least 4-5 pages of dusts on a medium pop realm is not a poor supply imo)

Originally Posted by Cranch

That option will be available only if there is a disenchanter in the group capable of doing the disenchant. So no practical change there.

Bornakk: To maintain the importance of the profession itself, the disenchanting UI option will only be available for groups that have a character with the necessary level of Enchanting to disenchant the items that are obtained.

I suppose that many people like me stopped offering the disenchanting service in heroics shortly after wrath (maybe it's a behaviour limited to the two realms I played on) because of the following reasons:
- the amount of shards i get doesn't change (the chances of getting a blue are the same of getting a shard at the end of the run) so why putting more work for people we don't know?
- the shard rolling at the end of the run is annoying and good for drama
- we're greedy/lazy and not offering free shards keeps high the market price

This new fantastic button will force me to offer a service to anyone even if I'm not ok with that. The next step could be clicking on someone for getting a craft without him even knowing that?
I'm not getting why people should be allowed to have for free the enchant mats I produced with my (expensive to level) profession while for example they would look at me as an idiot if I'd roll on the skinner's leathers. Am I comparing orange with apples or I have a point?

So far wrath professions have been disappointing for the main reason that most opportunities of gaining an arbitrage have been nerfed heavilly in respect to their tbc versions, to be more precise I'm talking about of:
- primals, engineers could make ridicolous amount of money if they put some effort, now the crafting is totally focused on other items and eternals aren't nearly as valuable
- leg armor kit, the patterns were so rare that you could buy the mats, pay a tip to the crafter and still earn 100-150g in 10 minutes of trade chat spamming (it would be still good today)
- epic gems, same as above with roughly 100g margins

You could do very good money without even having a profession but using your brain at a very basic level.
Some of those strategies could work even now, but not nearly as effective.. you could think that's for the good of the economy (why?) but since wrath blizzard moved their view of the servers economics to a socialist like system with a low welfare income (and a very few farmers) while keeping low as possible any opportunity of making profits in the services market (for example jc/enchanting recipes buyable by every R&S with the mats they got "for free").

Sorry if I sound like a freak neocon (or something like that), but I'm sure that not everyone is amused by dumb and annoying quests for a miserable 13g reward after 8-10 mins of work even if it comes packed with some rep with blood elf mages in dalaran.

Versatile_EK_EU · 10/29/09, 6:14 AM

Hi,

I have a question. Yesterday finally the Runestone dropped of Thorim and I was the lucky winner. My "Problem"now is the following. I saved up all my dkp to be able to get Death's Choice when it finally drops. And I also Purchased the Nobles Deck for only 3k 3 weeks ago and this week there will be the Faire.

My question now would be the following: Should I use my dkp to get the 245 shoulders and legs instead of the 232 ones I got right now and wear Runestone + DG:G or should I still use them for Death's Choice and if do I then go for DK:G or Runestone together with it? Which in your opinion would be the better choice?
Let's assume that I am hit, expertise and arp capped with runestone.
Thanks in advance.

Nosleh · 10/29/09, 7:09 AM

@Versatile
If you're ArP softcapped with Mjolnir then Death's Choice and Mjolnir are optimal. If you're close to the hardcap, then probably Darkmoon and Death's Choice are better.
It just depends on your ArP what combination will be best suited.

Nilaus · 10/29/09, 7:36 AM

@ ECZO

I think you are in the wrong thread with that attitude. There are 75 pages of ideas on how to make money, most of them involve professions. They are certainly not all equally in profitability, but they are all better than 13g / 8-10 min from your questing example.

The fact that you don't offer your disenchanting services in dungeons does not have any lasting effect on the server economy. So you are just being selfish and generally a prick by not doing so. Stop complaining and change profession if it's such a big concern for you that someone in your group will get a benefit from your profession.

... and now to something completely different: Alchemy is a very inexpensive profession to level and the Epic gem transmutes are an easy money maker. Leveling Alchemy (maybe even with Transmute mastery) is a nice and simple moneymaker 1 click -> 100+g (in excess of 400g in rare cases as a Transmuter).
Just remember that Wednesdays are the best day for selling gems/enchants (arena and weekly dungeon reset).

ECZO · 10/29/09, 8:28 AM

Originally Posted by Nilaus

@ ECZO

I think you are in the wrong thread with that attitude. There are 75 pages of ideas on how to make money, most of them involve professions. They are certainly not all equally in profitability, but they are all better than 13g / 8-10 min from your questing example.

The fact that you don't offer your disenchanting services in dungeons does not have any lasting effect on the server economy. So you are just being selfish and generally a prick by not doing so. Stop complaining and change profession if it's such a big concern for you that someone in your group will get a benefit from your profession.

... and now to something completely different: Alchemy is a very inexpensive profession to level and the Epic gem transmutes are an easy money maker. Leveling Alchemy (maybe even with Transmute mastery) is a nice and simple moneymaker 1 click -> 100+g (in excess of 400g in rare cases as a Transmuter).
Just remember that Wednesdays are the best day for selling gems/enchants (arena and weekly dungeon reset).

My gold still comes out almost entirely from professions (jc crafting+disenchanting), it was just a "state of the things as I view them" kind of post (this thread has many others), sorry if you disagree or don't like how I wrote my ideas.

Regarding alchemy, to me it doesn't seem worth to level an alt and even less to devote your main's profession slot just to use a one day cooldown, expecially because on many realms there aren't any other profits to be had from the profession.

PS I'm aware that I don't have a big impact on the server economy, I was just wondering how many pricks and selfish (yeah so what?) people like me there were on an average realm and if this was a reason for blizzard to introduce the disenchant option.

luizofoca · 10/29/09, 10:17 AM

can anyone point me a good pvp unholy spec that wont do any bad in case of pve?
im a tank pve but sometimes i need to go as dps like in 25 heroic totc

Struuntank · 10/29/09, 12:03 PM

Hi guys, I just joined the forums, hi o/. I am relative new to raiding with my arms warrior and was wondering if you guys could give me some pointers. In 25 man raids I can push to just hit the 5K mark all the time, anyway I can improve this with my gear, or do I need to enchant or gem different. I use ap flask and arP food buffs during raids.

Thanks in advance.

Armory link:

The World of Warcraft Armory

ZulazeeluIcecrown · 10/29/09, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Alliera

Right -- "let's join with the race that has been fighting us ever since we landed on these shores. That sounds like a match made in heaven!"

Or "let's join the beasts who burned Quel'Thalas in the Second War. Great idea!"

The trolls and the orcs are the high elves' two worst enemies ever, prior to Arthas' fall to the Scourge. And suddenly they're buddy-buddy with them? Even if you take into account that the Darkspear trolls aren't Amani, and even if take into account that the orcs aren't the demon-infused killers of the Second War, it makes no sense. Their race just suddenly collectively decide to forgive them?

It's incredibly, unbelievably obvious you've never rolled a Blood Elf and done the starting zone. You have zero clue what you're talking about and should probably shut up about it. All these things you object to are explained, quite clearly, in the Blood Elf starting zone. It only takes a couple of hours at most — if you're slow —�*to do the starting zone, so go roll a Blood Elf and educate yourself before you opine further.

EDIT: And there's a lot more to it than the spies. I suggest reading all the quest text if you claim to care about lore.

OmegaM · 10/29/09, 1:03 PM

Awhile back I had an addon that allowed me to make a list of things consumables portals mounts etc then set it to A keybind and when i hit said keybind all the things I set to it would appear on my screen and all i had to do was mouse over one of the icons to use it. Anyone have a idea of the addon im talking about?

Never mind i was able to find it, if anyone was curious the name of the addon was "Opie"

stromhoof · 10/29/09, 4:25 PM

So is tow glyph better then flame shock glyhp in dps ..

I have seen many elemental shamans whit T9 and no tow glyph.
Well im a litle confused...

Shell one have Tow glyph ore the flame shock glyph.

bomovoi · 10/29/09, 5:17 PM

neither of my weapons show up in the main hand category on the spread sheet but both show up as off hand. My weapons are Lionhead Slasher (axe) and Westfall Saber (sword). I also have Icefall Blade (Heroic) (Dagger) and Golem-Shard Sticker (dagger). Is there a way to input the weapons and stats into the spreadsheet manually?

MissnL1nK · 10/29/09, 6:15 PM

I have been looking throught the forums a lot lately for some sort for Stat Priority list for DK tanking gear so I can compare some pieces. Is there a post somewhere where stat weights are posted in the tanking forum? I can't seem to find one that actually has a solid stat weight.

zeidridge · 10/29/09, 6:49 PM

Hi guys. I was wondering if its worth breaking a 4/5T8.5 for 2/5T8.5 and two other ilvl245 items assuming i would be spell hit and expertise capped regardless. thanks. And follow up. If i should stick with the T8.5 has there been a consensus as to whether 51/13/7 or 51/7/13 is best? thanks