Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 658

davek · 11/20/09, 2:45 PM

Originally Posted by reighnman

I'm really interested to see the breakdown on the Bruise proc, it at least sounds hot

Right now, the math says somewhere between bad and very bad, pending the answers on some questions.

reighnman · 11/20/09, 2:50 PM

Originally Posted by davek

Right now, the math says somewhere between bad and very bad, pending the answers on some questions.

All I can say is disappointed, hopefully this will be changed before release.

poptya · 11/20/09, 3:51 PM

Originally Posted by Naganuina

If you are not putting any points in CQC you need to put in a filler point to get to the lower weapon specs(actually you need it just to get the the 15 point talents), mace currently uses one point of CQC since there are no OH maces in this tier.

Well aware, but I'm fist/dagger, so I'm 5/5 in CQC, I can get to the bottom of the tree without the point in endurance.

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kronchev · 11/20/09, 4:14 PM

Has anyone messed around with T10 relic swapping? For instance, start with the Elemental one, Flame Shock, it ticks 5 times, then for the next 30 seconds, swap in the Enh one for the bonus AP. After 30 seconds, go back to Elemental. This can even be done via addon just like the rogue poison swapper.

Dasteyy · 11/20/09, 4:18 PM

Originally Posted by kronchev

Has anyone messed around with T10 relic swapping? For instance, start with the Elemental one, Flame Shock, it ticks 5 times, then for the next 30 seconds, swap in the Enh one for the bonus AP. After 30 seconds, go back to Elemental. This can even be done via addon just like the rogue poison swapper.

If I am not mistaken I saw some blue post about that not being possible after the patch since you will lose the effect from your totem when you change it (cant seem to find the source atm)

atticus052 · 11/20/09, 4:20 PM

Alright here is a rather simple question that hopefully someone knows. I am in pretty much full best in slot ToGC 25 gear and I can't find any recent charts for stat values (sp/haste/crit) etc. for the basic arcane mage 57/3/11. Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere, but I've spent about 2 hours looking and havn't found anything.
p.s. Yes, I know about RAWR, I'm just not a huge fan; Yes, I know any stat values will likely come from it.

kronchev · 11/20/09, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dasteyy

If I am not mistaken I saw some blue post about that not being possible after the patch since you will lose the effect from your totem when you change it (cant seem to find the source atm)

I can't find one, but I found GC basically implying that it won't work as I see it. That's a shame. A shaman shame.

Grulthak · 11/20/09, 4:31 PM

Originally Posted by kronchev

Has anyone messed around with T10 relic swapping? For instance, start with the Elemental one, Flame Shock, it ticks 5 times, then for the next 30 seconds, swap in the Enh one for the bonus AP. After 30 seconds, go back to Elemental. This can even be done via addon just like the rogue poison swapper.

You could try looking two pages back in this very thread. It was changed in 3.2.2.

Relics: All buffs provided by relics (idols, librams, totems and sigils) now share an exclusive category such that gaining a buff from one of these items will remove all other buffs gained from items in this category.

acceleratum · 11/20/09, 4:41 PM

Ah allright, thanks for clarification, I dont remember that well since it was long time ago. I do remember being around 68 in my shaman and my lvl 60 maces were still doing better dps than lvl 70 weapons and I think after some test it was because of the windfury dps drop, of course back then i was using 2x windfury and the shamans were quite different.

hugsofdeath · 11/20/09, 5:36 PM

In a 0-56-15 spec would it make sense to get the extra point in MC over the meta talent? and then use the immolate glyph instead?

or is the meta 20% boost and meta glyph the way to go?

pyromaniak · 11/20/09, 5:56 PM

Originally Posted by atticus052

Alright here is a rather simple question that hopefully someone knows. I am in pretty much full best in slot ToGC 25 gear and I can't find any recent charts for stat values (sp/haste/crit) etc. for the basic arcane mage 57/3/11. Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere, but I've spent about 2 hours looking and havn't found anything.
p.s. Yes, I know about RAWR, I'm just not a huge fan; Yes, I know any stat values will likely come from it.

This will constantly change depending on your stats however, for you in your current gear as your exact spec Rawr calculates:

1 point of sp ~ 1.85 dps

1 point of haste ~ 2.14 dps

1 point of crit ~ 1.18 dps

1 point of int ~ 1.24 dps

Savais · 11/20/09, 6:03 PM

I appologize for my newbness. I've read these forums since the end of BC and I've tried to keep up on them, but unfortunitly due to some things in RL, I've not been able to read these forums thuroughly.
I am currently a 7/51/13 combat swords/axes build. Up until just a few moments ago I generally ran a 1s5s5r5e rotation, removing the 1s after it's initial use in the very begining of the fight. Generally, I run 1-2 on the dps meter and pull around 6-8k dps sustained depending on the boss with peaks of around 13-15k. I was reading over the changes of how useful rupture is in comparison to eviscerate once you break the 4pT8 set bonus and it blew my mind a little that eviscerate was more usefull than rupture.
My question is, is eviscerate for my build substantually better than rupture and if so, should I swap to a 5s5e5e rotation? My armory is The World of Warcraft Armory and I do appologize for my completly retarded question.

Fallenkronos · 11/20/09, 8:12 PM

Oh I understand that part but people are saying the 25 reg t10 seems underwhelming compared to heroic 25 t9 which is really when u look at it only 6ilvl difference feels a little unfair to the t10 when we havnt seen what the heroic 25 t10 will look like I think a better thing to compare would be the ilvl245 t9 to the 264 t10 becuase once ungated will be on a level playing field

atticus052 · 11/20/09, 8:19 PM

Thankyou very much for your imput Pyromaniak. I'll be quite honest it's a little hard to swallow that haste is .29 dps greater than sp or I would think at least one mage on WMO's top 20 mage charts would be gemming haste>sp>int>crit>spirit. As is, I still am making it onto the top 20 boards every coupple of weeks gemmed the way I am.
Do any of you have some imput as to "real-world" application of gemming/gearing as such/why other (knowledgable) players still gem and gear towards SP>Haste>Crit>Spirit?

cerin616 · 11/20/09, 8:36 PM

quick question.

I have 75% armor pen, raid boss has 25% armor reduction debuffs. Does this mean i am at 100% armor reduction? or does one apply and then the other? (81.25%)