Hey guys just a quick question on raid DPS as a whole.

I have been a warrior for 5 years and always used to being in the top 10 DPS. Since patch 3.1 though I have really noticed an increase in my own personal DPS in comparison to the raid groups. These days it is extremely uncommon for me to not be in the top 3 DPS for my guilds raids. We are the top horde guild on Aman'Thul (still not very progressed though) currently working on Algalon 25 and Anub heroic 25.

My question is: Should I be in the top 3 (if not top of the charts) dps wise consistently (granted fights like twins are made for me)? Are warriors currently overpowered? Or do the other DPS in my raids just...... suck? Usually only beaten by a DK, Rogue or sometimes Ret pally (who are all better geared than I).

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So know VE for raid?..... thats fine with me hehe

A dummy isnt reliable for DPS testing. When it comes to warriors, you really have to rely on environmental damage for rage almost more then anything.

On a seperate note; does anyone have any strong opinions about arms versitility in icecrown? Do you think it will be more popular then fury for maximizing on DPS?

Same boat as the others ....Read this thread (at least the 20 last pages)and should be doing way more then 5k dps on Toc25. Hell my pally with worst gear does 6k dps on Toc25 fights.

Rawr also tells me that even replacing my arp gems with str gems wont much mather. Now i have a bunch of trophys and badges and i'm thinking of replacing my T8 pieces with T9 for the 4p bonus but since slam is at the bottom of the prio list and heroic strike a rage sink i'm not to sure it will mather much.

Did you use ERW before or after IT/PS? Your supposed too try for after, if using the GoD rotation as the ticks from ERW do add up well.
Pretty much correct, and yes, the rotation is a bit fiddly, but if u can get past that, its fairly simple, but it seems GoD only slightly pulls ahead of GoDD anyway.
Also it depends on your procs, you usualy hope that 2 or 3 of your procs, proc before IT/PS, so too keep your diseases running at maximum AP, so there is a matter of luck involved in this rotation as well.

man i just hate that 1st part of TOC 5 H and normal ... and ofc always someone stay afk the hole fight.....

well im not sure but what happens if u use the item and wipe on boss u lose all itens? wtf?? or still on till raid is reseted????

if anyone ca help that...........

lock is very op here omg, he has some skill that u target ur enemy and he die? cause for me work that way......
target -> dead -> next!
fack this nerf for lock plz!!!!

Stormrage is no longer a gdkp virgin. The first run was arranged last night with great success. Full clear in about an hour with a pot cashing out 1210g per person. Could have been a lot bigger. First factor was lack of the really tasty items. No Solace of the Fallen, no Juggernault's Vitality, no Death's Choice and no Reign of the Dead. Only one weapon pulled the really big bucks. Regardless, it was a huge success and i predict a huge amount of people signing up for the next one.

Another issue being brought up was the balancing of the raid in general. The run was had with a fairly large majority being very well geared. More carries, as in people that could potentially grab several upgrades would probably boost every item more and the pot as a consequence.

I for one am sold to the merit of the system. Works excellent. Not only the gold, but also the incentive the participants get to actually complete the run with a minimal amount of fuzz.

Greetings,

Seeing our T10 seems to lack spirit and with spirit being eliminated in 4.0 as a DPS caster stat, I attempted to try and simulate a 3.3 output of a 0/13/58 warlock who is specifically geared and glyphed to avoid spirit.

This means wearing gear with as low spirit as possible and using Glyph of Imp instead of Glyph of Life Tap


These are the results I seen: (forgive me if it looks a bit messy, I am not good at these things).

*note: Kaere is my character name now, I ran simcraft based on 0/13/58 build, but switched gear to a selection of iLvL 258 items with as least spirit items as possible and 2 Reign of Unliving trinkets of different ilvls.

I used the latest GUI version of simcraft and set it to patch 3.3. 10k iterations used.



kaere : 9755dps

Name Race Class Tree Level
kaere human warlock destruction 80

DPS Error Range DPR RPS-Out RPS-In Resource Waiting ApM
9755 0.0% 8.1% 29.7 328.8 243.3 mana 0.0% 42.9

Origin C:/Users/*privacy*/Desktop/RAWR\KaereSimNoSpirit.xml

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Glyphs conflagrate imp incinerate

Sta Int Spi SP Hit Crit Haste
Scale Factors 0.0000 0.7566 0.8611 1.6968 4.6087 0.9729 0.7018
Normalized 0.0000 0.4459 0.5075 1.0000 2.7160 0.5734 0.4136


Here as comparison: 0/13/58 Simcraft BIS build with proper amounts of spirit and glyph of life tap:

Warlockt9001358 : 9765dps

Name Race Class Tree Level
Warlockt9001358 undead warlock destruction 80

DPS Error Range DPR RPS-Out RPS-In Resource Waiting ApM
9765 0.0% 8.3% 30.1 324.4 301.3 mana 0.0% 43.2

Origin Profiler - Wowhead

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Glyphs conflagrate incinerate life_tap

Sta Int Spi SP Hit Crit Haste
Scale Factors 0.0000 0.3277 1.0087 1.5686 4.3821 0.9440 1.3905
Normalized 0.0000 0.2089 0.6431 1.0000 2.7937 0.6018 0.8865




Now the results may seem to be low, but I suspect that I simply messed up with simcraft options...

Still seeing that both builds are rather close I am curious what are your thoughts on possible inclusion of a spiritless raiding spec, I believe it gives us a way to avoid spirit and yet retain full power output.

I just had a question, heroic misery's end/symbol of transgression is slightly better than tarasque/chalice of searing light, right?