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Old 01/05/09, 12:35 PM   #1701
obeah
Glass Joe
 
Undead Rogue
 
Warsong
Originally Posted by Slims View Post
Eviscerate is a Finishing Move, not a Combo move. A combo move are the ones that award you the points. And finishers are moves that uses them.
So the tier bonus is useless.
Ho ho ho true thing ! It's only applied to the combo moves ! With so little Hemos going here and there i agree about how useless the bonus will be.

Thx guys and best regards !

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Old 01/05/09, 1:03 PM   #1702
sephfiroth
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Rogue
 
Malorne
Originally Posted by Shha View Post
As for execute optimization, 2x1h is a bad idea. You lose a lot of stats and damage, and STILL wont get a sure execute spam every GCD.

IF you want to ensure GCD execute spam, what you do is unequip your TG offhand.
Miss rate goes down to 0% if you are already special capped, and look at weapon speed:

3.4 base
speed factors:
1.2 WF
1.03 Ret/Moonkin
1.25 Flurry (With 1x2h it basically is always up, the uptime goes up a lot compared to dual wield)
1.3 heroism (You DO get heroism in Execute range right?)
15% gear haste (if you have less, use a 2h with haste on it for executes)

Final speed - 1.47 sec swings.

Pros of 1x2h:
- More stats (yes 1x2h has usually better stats then 2x1h)
- Comparable white damage (no misses with 1x2h)
- 2h Spec at work for executes
- Never miss/dodge or otherwise fail to swing, giving 100% certainty you can execute on gcd (- flurry dropping, when all you really lose is ~0.15 sec, which for most people will be actually less then lag induced loss in executes)

Im still not sold on the execute weapon switch btw, but if you do - use 1x2h.
A most interesting idea.

Thank you.

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Old 01/05/09, 6:28 PM   #1703
mikeymoollet
Glass Joe
 
Tauren Shaman
 
Mug'thol
hi mikeymoollet here <mediocre at best> of mug'thol. having done half of sunwell and clearing all current content(including 3 drake sartharion) i would have to say int is a very valuable stat. Not only do you get more mana regen from replenishment, you get alot more mana from mana tide. with my current 21k mana unbuffed i get almost 6k mana from mana tide(with glyph). where as a shaman with only 16k mana would get 4.5k. I also get alot more int/mana from buffs which is very nice considering you run 25 mans with full buffs. About the issue of the shoulders i would simply buy the valorous shoulders with 60 valor badges. They are best in slot considering you are using 2 piece which gives you an extra 13 mp5(assuming you have glyph) and 50 more mana every time your water shield procs. I find my water shield procing very often due to the new talent that causes it to proc off every riptide,lhw, or hw proc.

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Old 01/05/09, 7:25 PM   #1704
calanin
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Death Knight
 
Draka
Rawr 2.1.5 - Released Jan 3rd

According to Rawr 2.1.5 - Released Jan 3rd Cryptfiend's Bite is better than Betrayer of Humanity for a 2 handed Frost build. This just does not seem right, but maybe I am missing something? Can anyone confirm this? I imagine its an error in coding for Rawr, but I'd like to be sure.

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Old 01/05/09, 7:32 PM   #1705
LITTLER0TT
Von Kaiser
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Dethecus
I'm pretty curious to know if Lightning Bolt is getting anything from Shamanism. It doesn't feel like it is at all. I've gotten the exact same numbers on Lightning bolt before and after being speced into Shamanism..2850 ish.

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Old 01/05/09, 8:27 PM   #1706
bosox2k1
Glass Joe
 
Orc Death Knight
 
Blackwater Raiders
Originally Posted by shopshopshop View Post
The macro will only cast Path of Frost or Death Strike if control+the hotkey is pressed.

Ahh, thank you so much. That macro from Ren is a godsend.

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Old 01/05/09, 11:18 PM   #1707
snazzyjdawg
 
Undead Rogue
 
Ursin
kk so first time posting here... im currently leveling my rogue and im just wondering what to do and where to start once im 80 im already in the top proggressed guild on my sever... I just need to know the rotation spec etc etc i should be and what gear i could be hunting down i know its alot and feel free to not answer... Thanks bubye!

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Old 01/06/09, 12:30 AM   #1708
Ynyienae
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Fenris
Originally Posted by Skyhoof View Post
I believe in the latest PTR push that [Flow of Knowledge] now has +84 resilience rather than +84 crit.
that's what I was afraid of, thanks.

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Old 01/06/09, 2:53 AM   #1709
shermanc
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Gorgonnash
Originally Posted by Garby View Post
Are you incapable of reading? This whole page is covered with posts relating to the nerf to Scorpid Poison.
lol

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Old 01/06/09, 5:54 AM   #1710
ShaoTM
 
Orc Shaman
 
Hellscream (EU)
an idea

hi all, this is my first post so please dont be too cruel if i missed the topic.
considering elemental dps after upcoming changes prolly wont move from last place on dps meters, some ideas i read around here and mathematics a lot of people were doin, some as far as i see logical ideas came to my mind. we have Thunderstorm ability that is our "ultimate" if i may call it that way, its a talent that should at least be of medium consideration since it deepest in tree. still, as far as i see it, in pvp (which is not my primary consern) it delays death by maybe 2 seconds, and in pve does practicly nothing to our dps, here would be a good talent if we would have mana problems, but am really rearly in posiion that i have to use it, so as far as relevance goes, it could actually be in lower part of tree. i know this prologue might not be usefull since u all know this, but i still decided to write it just for a complete storyline. now, during those holidays i had couple of ideas, gave every one of them couple of days of braining, and got one that might actually be useful appliable. since ele's lack dps, mana gain wont help with that and our "ultimate" is kinda useles, what do you say about a change that every time when thunderstorm is used, it creates a warp rift (mechanics exists in nexus-forked lighting) that passivly damages all opponnets in range of 20? yds for x(10?) seconds for x damage, exact numbers should be figuared up by someone who can do it right, and also there could be a glyph added that creates an extra forked-lightning in 10yd range (for5 sec?) to give ele's in pvp some survivability / time to heal / damage. it would pick up poor relevance of Thunderstorm, close elemental to his true nature (master of lightning), fix poor visual from Thunderstor, help dps in pve and grant so much wanted AOE once every 45 sec and improve pvp in various ways.
thank you for reading. thoughts ?
happy new year

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Old 01/06/09, 6:39 AM   #1711
Shalafein
Glass Joe
 
Troll Hunter
 
Thrall
Has anyone else seen this?

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Happy New Year! Just to catch you up...


Just to summarize and I am quoting from GC

"We think with these changes, hunter PvE damage will be in line with other dps classes. We're not concerned about scaling at higher gear levels because we are changing hunter damage enough for 3.1 that we will have to rebalance them anyway. "

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Old 01/06/09, 6:46 AM   #1712
McMuttons
Glass Joe
 
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Orc Hunter
 
Deathwing (EU)
Originally Posted by Shalafein View Post
Has anyone else seen this?

World of Warcraft - English (NA) Forums -> GC: Happy New Year! Just to catch you up...


Just to summarize and I am quoting from GC

"We think with these changes, hunter PvE damage will be in line with other dps classes. We're not concerned about scaling at higher gear levels because we are changing hunter damage enough for 3.1 that we will have to rebalance them anyway. "
I recommend you try reading back a little, starting with this post and ending with the post just before yours.

The Old Grudge: Chief Executive Orc | Chief Troll Officer | Runner of the Ragged

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Old 01/06/09, 6:51 AM   #1713
Targh
Handbrake only!
 
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Goblin Shaman
 
Bloodhoof (EU)
In honesty I think this thread is more about theory and calculations on where the listed and confirmed changes in the upcoming patch will leave our dps in raid encounters, and less about what new abilities we think blizzard should or shouldn't give us to counteract any shortcomings in our class.

That, and you'll probably be told off for not paragraphing and for using abbreviations and contractions.

Originally Posted by bartolimu View Post
I humbly submit there's a difference between kicking someone when they're down and kicking someone when they're

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Old 01/06/09, 10:26 AM   #1714
vaudou
Glass Joe
 
Draenei Shaman
 
Anvilmar
Hey guys !!

I have been reading EJ forever and this is actually my first post... I have used the sim and the results i get are somewhat weird. I'm thinking i did something wrong...

Anyways, here they are.

MH:
miss 226026 9.91%
dodge 62530 2.74%
glancing 570276 25.00%
hit 526224 23.07%
crit 895717 39.27%

MH Windfury:
procs/hits 16.63%
procs/swings 14.52%
miss 0 0.00%
dodge 18535 2.80%
hit 391582 59.11%
crit 252391 38.10%

OH:
miss 327800 9.94%
dodge 90686 2.75%
glancing 823300 24.96%
hit 761993 23.10%
crit 1294645 39.25%

OH Flametongue:
miss 0 0.00%
hit 1921232 66.71%
crit 958706 33.29%

Maelstrom Weapon:
PPM 33.43

flurry uptime 74.32%
unleashed rage uptime 99.87%
elemental devastation uptime 0.00%
elemental oath uptime 0.00%

mh enchant uptime 28.44%
oh enchant uptime 19.76%
trinket1 uptime 16.75%
trinket2 uptime 20.32%
totem uptime 0.00%
set bonus uptime 0.00%
metagem uptime 0.00%

MRPS without overregen
mana regen -0.00 44.07%
mp5 -0.00 18.73%
replenishment -0.00 41.50%
unrelenting storm 0.00 -0.00%
judgement of wisdom 0.00 -4.30%
shamanistic rage 0.00 -0.00%
mana potion 0.00 -0.00%
misc potion 0.00 -0.00%

DPS PPM MPS
white 1375.33 59.79% 92.99
windfury 508.19 22.09% 5.52
flametongue 416.90 18.12% 48.00

DPS 2300.41
MPS 0.00
MP2min 0.00
MRPS 131.97
Out of mana time 0.00%

elapsed simulation time: 1000.00h
elapsed real time: 0.83s
simulation speed: 4347825x


Here's the link to my armory.

The World of Warcraft Armory

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Old 01/06/09, 11:28 AM   #1715
SensenmanN
Glass Joe
 
Goblin Warlock
 
Kil'Jaeden
Rep for my guild!

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Old 01/06/09, 11:29 AM   #1716
ketah
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Ursin
Originally Posted by Tinwhisker View Post
Because EP weights for Agi and AP can flip flop with each other even to the point where you're using both at the same time for max DPS, any answer we give won't be accurate. The spreadsheets are the only real way to get an accurate answer.

If you just want an answer though: Go Agility, Aldriana stated once that any DPS lost by using Agi over AP when they're so close would easily be made up by the time you gain with a single dodge. (Dead DPS is no DPS.)
alright thx im downloading excel as we speak. I'll check it out. I "lol'd" at your last sentence its kinda true though. Thx.

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Old 01/06/09, 1:21 PM   #1717
oresteez
Von Kaiser
 
Undead Warlock
 
Gurubashi
I just thought of an awesome one...
During Thaddius,
place it on the ledge where you kill the first sub boss...


Then when jumping to Thaddius, if you spaz out and miss his ledge, you can teleport back up and try again!

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Old 01/06/09, 3:01 PM   #1718
testthewest
Von Kaiser
 
Blood Elf Mage
 
Dalvengyr (EU)
Originally Posted by Actovision View Post
So too is claiming that you sacrifice everything for single-target dps when many Frostfire mages can spec for excellent aoe damage (in both the frost and fire trees), for example.
Well I have no idea how your mages are doing "great AE-dmg" but on bigger pulls, you get owned by DK's and s-priests, on smaller pulls even warriors deal the same or more than a mage.
So please clearify: What is this "excellent aoe damage" you are talking about? (which half of the time already fails, because Blizzard has no pushback protection.

Originally Posted by Actovision View Post
And it's also arrogant to claim that simply because you absolutely require your spec to do more damage it should be so, purple monkey dishwasher! I tried to hint at this point above, but it seems I need to spell it out. If you feel that your fun is being infringed upon because another class/spec can do equal damage and stand in the fire a little longer, maybe you should play a game that's more suited to your monomaniacal impulses, and not this ever-changing, social, cooperative MMO.
So now, why can't you stand doing a bit less dmg then me, while bringing your debuff fool-proof easy and some mana and survivability in for free? Let me spel it out for you:
If you feel that your fun is being infringed upon because another class/spec can do a bit more damage, while dieing faster, maybe you should play a game that's more suited to your monomaniacal impulses, and not this ever-changing, social, cooperative MMO.

Sounds familiar? What, you ain't a dime better than me? That's funny.....


Originally Posted by Actovision View Post
Because it's pretty clear you are in the minority, and Blizz will always pursue changes that bring in more players, instead of those changes that exclude. If yours is the prevailing sentiment on the official forums, then I can see how that dumb ass armor class argument came about...
You, pretty much, have no idea. They said: Hey, you bring the player, so I though...well maybe I don't have to reroll to a "pure"class. Then they say: A pure class will always outshine a hybrid on thze damage-meter, so I finally abandoned my beloved main, and switched to mage.
I had your opinion for a long time, but I learned better, that nothing will every change. If frost would, by accident, deal more damage, they would be nerfed in seconds after a protest storm of all those firemages.
Bring the player already is in the game for mage, but it's not: Bring the player that can't even figure out the raiding spec.
Lastly, please stop that minority bull....
We all see us as the majority and the opposing view as the minority (even the Bolschewiki though so^^).

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Old 01/06/09, 5:27 PM   #1719
numerouno
 
Orc Shaman
 
Magtheridon
SV trap dancing

this might sound like a dumb question but as Survival how necessary is it to trap dance seeing as it may take away some shooting time moving to place the trap?

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Old 01/06/09, 6:17 PM   #1720
Dafeaz
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Orc Hunter
 
Earthen Ring
Well, all I know is that this throws my plans for 3.0.8 into complete disarray. I had originally planned to dabble in a Sniper Training SV build using a scorpid while shelling out for a Darkmoon Card: Greatness, but now I dunno.

If they succeed in keeping the 3 specs in line with each other, I'll probably go SV for the more advanced rotation (and the ability to essentially shoot bombs, which has my geekiness all a-twitter). I just hope they don't nerf ES too hard.

The fact that I can't fulfill a niche in a raid with any spec these days really bums me out...would it be worth it to stay BM to keep the FI procs, when a retardin can essentially do the same thing AND provide replenishment?

Some people think they can outsmart me. Maybe.

Maybe.

I've yet to meet one who can outsmart bullet.

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Old 01/06/09, 8:06 PM   #1721
Ilmatar
Piston Honda
 
Worgen Druid
 
Feathermoon
Thanks, Dukes. I hadn't really looked at VotTW in that much depth. That's what I get for theory crafting at work.

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Old 01/06/09, 8:18 PM   #1722
mofro
Glass Joe
 
Gnome Death Knight
 
Hellscream
Just a quick question I had heard that HB will be spammable after the patch which i take it to mean doing away with the 6 sec cool down. is there any truth to this?

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Old 01/06/09, 9:29 PM   #1723
Nerlth
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Orc Death Knight
 
Dawnbringer
Originally Posted by atrophia View Post
I liked the idea so I've now made atrRunes to see if the concept proved useful.

My initial impressions were not great, but I've been using it a bit more and am getting used to it. At the moment its all one "sentence" (a string for you programmers) which means it looks a bit odd when the character shapes vary and the spacing alters.

Play around with some and give me feedback please, if the idea does prove more useful I will add more options and give it more gloss.
I was going to make this. /sigh Thanks anyways.

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Old 01/06/09, 9:42 PM   #1724
bustajibb
Glass Joe
 
Blood Elf Rogue
 
Altar of Storms
Been reading over many of the posts here, and have gotten a ton of info. Thanks

But I do have a couple of things I would like to ask. Im currently Combat/Fist(7/51/13), mostly for the fact the Crimson Steel is the best main hand Ive come across. I have Titansteel Shanker in my off hand. I also have Avool's Sword of Jin. Here comes my first question, would it help my dps if I switched out Endurance and Imp. Sprint to 4/5 Sword Specialization and off hand Avool's? Since they both have relatively the same dps?

Next, What is the hit cap for rogues? I have read over and over the pocketguide section on hit and maybe Im making it more complicated than I should. I currently have 371 hit rating, is this too low? Is it about average?

Thanks for your time

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Old 01/07/09, 12:45 AM   #1725
tinkles
Glass Joe
 
Human Rogue
 
Exodar
Hit rating or lack of it

i have a question i"m having a hard time keeping my hit rating up as most gear up grades do not have hit , I have heard and read many threads about hit rating but i haven't found a definitive answer to the lack of hit rating . is the gear available using a imaginary hit rating or is the new specs integrated into overall DPS as the spread sheets show an increase in DPS possibility

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