Thread of Ultimate Stupidity - Page 734

thottstation · 12/24/09, 5:39 AM

I was quite happy to get my Ashen Verdict' Honored Ring today... but is that it? There's no Revered or Exalted Rings in the spreadsheet. Does that mean earning further rep is pointless, gear wise?

saedo · 12/24/09, 5:40 AM

The revered (and exalted) ones have a proc which is not yet modelled in the current version.

timb111 · 12/24/09, 6:05 AM

Originally Posted by Rawrsause

And if it's something simple and dumb I'm sorry lol

It kind of is - a recent hotfix made SB and Drain Soul both refresh Corruption if you have Everlasting Affliction. You don't lose any ticks from Corruption.

kurzio · 12/24/09, 6:47 AM

So with 3.3, ArP isn't interesting anymore even for combat rogues ?

I understand that poisons became stronger and that ArP doesn't empower them, but neither should AP or am I missing something ?

Keysersöze · 12/24/09, 10:01 AM

The advanced search only takes you to a thread, not the actual post, so forgive me if this has been asked before.

I notice many high end rogues stack Attack Power gems. My question is why is 40AP better than the 20 AGI gem, which yields 40 ap, some crit and some dodge.

Thank you for your response and Merry Christmas, kids.

Aéquitas · 12/24/09, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Keysersöze

The advanced search only takes you to a thread, not the actual post, so forgive me if this has been asked before.

I notice many high end rogues stack Attack Power gems. My question is why is 40AP better than the 20 AGI gem, which yields 40 ap, some crit and some dodge.

Thank you for your response and Merry Christmas, kids.

You don't understand what Agi does for us then. Agility gives us 1 ap for each point not 2. A 20 agility gem gives 20 ap some crit and some dodge.

thesmoosh · 12/24/09, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Krazyk

I am trying out MM after being Surv since they killed BM. I have a question regarding the use of Grim Toll.

I currently have 809 passive armor pen; I am using Agi gems at the moment. I also have Deathbringer's Will and Whispering Fanged Skull. With these 2 great trinkets, is it worth using Grim Toll over one of them still for the ArP proc?

You should check the spreadsheet yourself to be sure, but without looking at your gear/spec I'm guessing you can vendor your grim toll and not even worry about it. Toll is a low ilvl trinket to begin with, and has tons of hit which we're always trying to get rid of so we can spec into focused aim -- not to mention that you have the two best trinkets in the game.

This isn't even close.

Keysersöze · 12/24/09, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Aéquitas

You don't understand what Agi does for us then. Agility gives us 1 ap for each point not 2. A 20 agility gem gives 20 ap some crit and some dodge.

Apologies - I was reading an EP chart and thought we had a 2:1 ratio for AGI:AP versus 1:1 for STR:AP.

Feist-Mok · 12/24/09, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Keysersöze

Apologies - I was reading an EP chart and thought we had a 2:1 ratio for AGI:AP versus 1:1 for STR:AP.

In terms of value this is roughly true. Agi is worth roughly twice as much as AP point for point.

But, for most Rogue specs given current mechanics, it's worth slightly less than 2x as much as AP. (Usually something like 1.95-1.98 in my experience.). Pre 3.3, the advice was generally to use Agi gems because Agility sat on the other end of that 2.0 divide. What changed? Poisons became more important, and they get less out of Agility.

vintank · 12/24/09, 11:33 AM

I just have to say I am anxiously awaiting the release of your ui it is clean and informative
just the way I like them.

And as stated in an earlier post, RatingBuster is a must have for any class the stat break down
is great for mixing and matching up your gear.

vintank · 12/24/09, 11:34 AM

great guide, very informative, well written
a must read for any paladin

Chia25S · 12/24/09, 12:08 PM

As mislieading as this title is, it's about two simple questions:

1) I've been told by a few different people IRL that it's possible to make a macro so that you will only cast Envenom when you have 4+ combo points. On Wowwiki, however, it says that if/then macros are no long creatable. Can anyone confirm or deny, and/or point me in the right direction to creating such a macro?

2) Failing that being a viable macro option, does anyone know of an addon that can do the aforementioned task?

I know both of these questions may seem to take a lot of skill out of playing a rogue - But despite not being much of a raider at the moment, I have already discovered that every moment you aren't burning your GCD to inflict more damage is a moment you're not living up to your potential.

sinjiyo · 12/24/09, 12:51 PM

Hi i have a question that keep bugging me and would like to see if u guys can help me out here.Is it better taking away greatness for the Needle-encrusted scorpion trink? cos i have a Dk guildy who has that and hes SS does more damage in raid from my recount and i have death choice and greatness he has greatness and that Arp trink..can anyone tell me issit worth farming for that Arp Trink?

Coffinspiire · 12/24/09, 12:54 PM

Ever since the drop of 3.3 I'm torn between Unholy raiding, and Blood raiding. Before 3.3 I raided frost, and I loved it. But since the drop of the patch I'm bouncing between these two specs. If I could make it work, Unholy would be my choice one; however, in most raiding situations I find that on single target bosses I just can't keep up with everyone else as far as numbers are concerned. On trash pulls, no one can touch me, but on single target bosses i'll get PM's from officers telling me to step it up. Right now I'm duel spec'd Blood for single target raiding, and Unholy for AoE raiding. My question, is there a rotation/ way to boost damage on single targets as unholy, or is blood really to only way to go in that situation? Thanks ahead of time for taking the time to read this!

Towelette · 12/24/09, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Chia25S

As mislieading as this title is, it's about two simple questions:

1) I've been told by a few different people IRL that it's possible to make a macro so that you will only cast Envenom when you have 4+ combo points. On Wowwiki, however, it says that if/then macros are no long creatable. Can anyone confirm or deny, and/or point me in the right direction to creating such a macro?

2) Failing that being a viable macro option, does anyone know of an addon that can do the aforementioned task?

I know both of these questions may seem to take a lot of skill out of playing a rogue - But despite not being much of a raider at the moment, I have already discovered that every moment you aren't burning your GCD to inflict more damage is a moment you're not living up to your potential.

You really wouldn't want that macro if it does exist. Automatically casting Envenom everytime you have 4+ CPs could very well result in clipping several Envenoms, and some of them by a good margin I'd imagine, when you get a string of Ruthlessness and Relentless procs, or a lot of FA procs.